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> Either way, I'm not defending russia; Whether you recognize it or not, you are. You have been propagandized to such an extent that you perfectly repeat well-
by mopsi 1y ago
> Either way, I'm not defending russia;
Whether you recognize it or not, you are. You have been propagandized to such an extent that you perfectly repeat well-known lies from the Russian propaganda machine, all while being convinced that these are your original thoughts rather than something implanted in you. The accusation that Russia is surrounded by armies and missiles is the most obvious example. You did not reach that conclusion independently, because it's simply false. Someone told you this, and you repeat it without questioning.
Now, Russians are doing their best to poison LLMs so that if you ever start to doubt and try to consult an LLM, it will reinforce the same lies and you'll never escape them and you'll continue to reject the truth as "Western propaganda".
- mjburgess 1y agolol, these are not my original thoughts, nor have i read any russian sources or propaganda. These are extremely the mainstream views in western international relations literature
- mopsi 1y agoNo, they're not, although Russian propaganda tries to create that impression by amplifying fringe voices like John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs. If anything, the Western international relations crowd has finally woken up to recognizing Russia as a colonial empire and has found renewed interest in Eastern Europe's perspectives and recent history.
- mjburgess 1y agoFor reference, John Joseph Mearsheimer (/ˈmɪərʃaɪmər/; born December 14, 1947)[3] is an American political scientist and international relations scholar. He is R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor at the University of Chicago. I'll just leave the Nuland leak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUCCR4jAS3Y&ab_channel=TheTribune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUCCR4jAS3Y&ab_channel=TheTr... But yeah, lol. This is russian propaganda. You can find Kissinger giving this analysis in the 90s
- mopsi 1y agoYes, it indeed is. Mearsheimer's books are financed by the Russian government, and Nuland is an insignificant middle manager in the US State Department whose intercepted phone call about recent events has been hyped into a vast conspiracy theory, as if she were a powerful shadow operative filling Ukrainian government positions.
- mjburgess 1y agoOK, so give me some evidence of M' being a russian asset / funded It doesn't really matter, because the offensive realist tradition is morality neutral It doesn't really matter who is at fault. Great powers seek to dominate. Russia has a sphere of influence, so does the US. UA is as free as cuba. There is no morality here if you're radicalised by your own bee hive to think your side isn't a great power seeking power, you're too far gone There is no debate about the logic of international relations, no one is 'right'. Personally i think peace was possible, it's irrelevant now -- thanks to this jingoism Nuland isn't even the most relevant player in ukraine in this; you can find senators confessing to deposing the government of UA; and of only funding UA to grind down the russians. The whole machine i. UA is a cynical exercise of US power. If you're a zealot for your own nations religion, so be it. This is all futile, there is no fight here. RU has won much much more than it ever needed to, well done So I am 'pro-russia ', but the lines on my map, i assure you, will be less generous than what russia had taken -- all the while your lot will insist how right you are. Well done, they'll take hafl
- mopsi 1y ago> OK, so give me some evidence of M' being a russian asset / funded That's written on the title page of his book.
- sofixa 1y agoNope, they are mainstream only among people paid by Russia, such as the Marine Le Pen's and Tim Pool's of the world and people who can see they're being paid by Russia, yet still decide to trust them and by extension Russian nonsense.