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No, Trump is threatening a US citizen with executive power in a way that is wildly unconstitutional. You don't get to simply brush this off as "trolling" when i

No, Trump is threatening a US citizen with executive power in a way that is wildly unconstitutional. You don't get to simply brush this off as "trolling" when it is the most powerful person on the planet making the threats, especially when those threats are being used as a bludgeon to silence legitimate criticisms of administrative failings.

Bender 1y ago
For what it's worth the federal government can legally revoke Rosie's citizen once she completes the process of becoming a citizen of Ireland. [1] In fact they can do that to just about anyone that expatriates themselves. For him to make a big stink about it just tells me he is trolling. But who knows, maybe since we and other social media sites and forums are talking about it maybe he will just do it. The expatriating act must be voluntary and take any of seven forms. Committing any of the following acts will create a presumption that it was performed voluntarily with the idea of giving up U.S. citizenship, although the person might later be able to rebut (disprove) this presumption: - Becoming a naturalized citizen of another country after age 18. <<-- This one. - Formally declaring allegiance to a foreign government after age 18. - Accepting a position in the government of another country after age 18, if one has citizenship in, or declared allegiance to, that country. - Joining the military force of another country either (1) in any capacity if that country is engaged in hostilities against the U.S., or (2) as an officer. - Formally renouncing U.S. nationality abroad before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer. - Formally renouncing U.S. nationality in the U.S. when the U.S. is at war, if done in writing and with the approval of the U.S. Department of Justice. - Being convicted of treason or participating in any attempt to overthrow the U.S. government. The first five acts become effective as an act of expatriation only after the person who commits them has left the United States. The procedures for the sixth act (renunciation in the U.S.) have not yet been defined. [1] - https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/when-us-citizens-can-lose-us-citizenship.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/when-us-citizens-can...
- willmarch 1y ago
  "For the most part, U.S. citizens (or nationals) can never be stripped of their U.S. citizenship (or nationality). It's the most secure immigration status there is. However, limited exceptions do exist. Also, people can give up U.S. citizenship voluntarily. This article will look at both possibilities." Rosie was born in the US and is not voluntarily giving up her citizenship. I want to believe you're discussing in good faith, but nothing you posted is relevant to this discussion if it is the president threatening to strip a US citizen's rights from someone who isn't voluntarily giving them up. There is no defending or explaining away what Trump is doing; it is awful, should be called out as awful, and it is unAmerican to the core. This isn't "trolling" this is creeping facism and should be called out as such.
  - Bender 1y ago
    Absolutely good faith. It also says: Committing any of the following acts will create a presumption that it was performed voluntarily with the idea of giving up U.S. citizenship, although the person might later be able to rebut (disprove) this presumption: So he may presume that she is no longer in need of a US citizenship. Has she publicly stated otherwise or is she just playing the back-and-forth drama game he started? If you know Trump and Rosie then you have to admit they both love drama. She could easily state, "I have no desire to rescind my US citizenship. I wish to keep my US citizenship." and then just ignore him until legal action is required.
    - willmarch 1y ago
      I appreciate the reply but here is why I feel like what you're saying isn't in good faith. Rosie has not become a naturalized citizen of Ireland, she has expressed interest but (unless you have evidence otherwise) her only citizenship is US. As you said, she would voluntarily have to give up her citizenship. It is not within the US governments's power to remove the constitutional rights of citizens, only to preserve their natural right as laid out within our Constitution. When you say things like, "he may presume that she is no longer in need of a US citizenship" it feels completely disingenuous since clearly this isn't some basic bureaucratic matter, he is directly threatening a US citizen with unconstitutional actions simply to silence criticism which is not what we do in this country and it should chill every American to their core to see such things happening. The US Presidency isn't a reality TV show and politics isn't entertainment. We're witnessing abhorrent behavior from a sitting president and the threat alone is an abuse of executive power meant to suppress free speech and criticism. You might find it funny or trolling, but I expect more from our leaders in this country.

Bender 1y ago

For what it's worth the federal government can legally revoke Rosie's citizen once she completes the process of becoming a citizen of Ireland. [1] In fact they can do that to just about anyone that expatriates themselves. For him to make a big stink about it just tells me he is trolling. But who knows, maybe since we and other social media sites and forums are talking about it maybe he will just do it. The expatriating act must be voluntary and take any of seven forms. Committing any of the following acts will create a presumption that it was performed voluntarily with the idea of giving up U.S. citizenship, although the person might later be able to rebut (disprove) this presumption: - Becoming a naturalized citizen of another country after age 18. <<-- This one. - Formally declaring allegiance to a foreign government after age 18. - Accepting a position in the government of another country after age 18, if one has citizenship in, or declared allegiance to, that country. - Joining the military force of another country either (1) in any capacity if that country is engaged in hostilities against the U.S., or (2) as an officer. - Formally renouncing U.S. nationality abroad before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer. - Formally renouncing U.S. nationality in the U.S. when the U.S. is at war, if done in writing and with the approval of the U.S. Department of Justice. - Being convicted of treason or participating in any attempt to overthrow the U.S. government. The first five acts become effective as an act of expatriation only after the person who commits them has left the United States. The procedures for the sixth act (renunciation in the U.S.) have not yet been defined. [1] - https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/when-us-citizens-can-lose-us-citizenship.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/when-us-citizens-can...

willmarch 1y ago
"For the most part, U.S. citizens (or nationals) can never be stripped of their U.S. citizenship (or nationality). It's the most secure immigration status there is. However, limited exceptions do exist. Also, people can give up U.S. citizenship voluntarily. This article will look at both possibilities." Rosie was born in the US and is not voluntarily giving up her citizenship. I want to believe you're discussing in good faith, but nothing you posted is relevant to this discussion if it is the president threatening to strip a US citizen's rights from someone who isn't voluntarily giving them up. There is no defending or explaining away what Trump is doing; it is awful, should be called out as awful, and it is unAmerican to the core. This isn't "trolling" this is creeping facism and should be called out as such.
- Bender 1y ago
  Absolutely good faith. It also says: Committing any of the following acts will create a presumption that it was performed voluntarily with the idea of giving up U.S. citizenship, although the person might later be able to rebut (disprove) this presumption: So he may presume that she is no longer in need of a US citizenship. Has she publicly stated otherwise or is she just playing the back-and-forth drama game he started? If you know Trump and Rosie then you have to admit they both love drama. She could easily state, "I have no desire to rescind my US citizenship. I wish to keep my US citizenship." and then just ignore him until legal action is required.
  - willmarch 1y ago
    I appreciate the reply but here is why I feel like what you're saying isn't in good faith. Rosie has not become a naturalized citizen of Ireland, she has expressed interest but (unless you have evidence otherwise) her only citizenship is US. As you said, she would voluntarily have to give up her citizenship. It is not within the US governments's power to remove the constitutional rights of citizens, only to preserve their natural right as laid out within our Constitution. When you say things like, "he may presume that she is no longer in need of a US citizenship" it feels completely disingenuous since clearly this isn't some basic bureaucratic matter, he is directly threatening a US citizen with unconstitutional actions simply to silence criticism which is not what we do in this country and it should chill every American to their core to see such things happening. The US Presidency isn't a reality TV show and politics isn't entertainment. We're witnessing abhorrent behavior from a sitting president and the threat alone is an abuse of executive power meant to suppress free speech and criticism. You might find it funny or trolling, but I expect more from our leaders in this country.