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Why is it everyone else's responsibility to keep it out of the hands of 10 year olds by being 24/7 surveilled by the government, instead of the parents' respons

Why is it everyone else's responsibility to keep it out of the hands of 10 year olds by being 24/7 surveilled by the government, instead of the parents' responsibility to regulate internet access for their 10-year old? Not that gay erotica seems that harmful, even for a 10 year old. They probably don't seek it out as much as you thing they do. If they do, it is probably a beneficial step in their development given what they learn about themselves in a safer environment than the probable alternative.

useless_eater 1y ago
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- _Algernon_ 1y ago
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  - tomhow 1y ago
    > Fucking troll. That comment was unacceptable and I replied to them to say so, but it's also not OK to comment like this on HN, no matter what you're replying to. If we want others to be better we need to be better ourselves. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- tomhow 1y ago
  > I pray that you will find God and recover from whatever trauma you have been through. This is not an acceptable comment on HN, as it's a disguised personal attack. Please read the guidelines and make an effort to observe them in future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dyauspitr 1y ago
Because just like the argument with social media in my opinion it’s better to have governmental regulation on these things so millions of households don’t have to have the same argument with their kids and kids not on social media platforms don’t get left out of a significant percentage of teenage life effectively socially stunting them.
- kelnos 1y ago
  Millions of households talking about this stuff with their kids, setting rule and boundaries and punishments, is exactly what should happen. That is literally what parenting is, and every parent must do it. Pushing that responsibility to the state is not only lazy, it's anathema to a free society. Your children will grow up to be robots who only know how to do what an authority figure tells them to do.
  - dyauspitr 1y ago
    In my opinion it shouldn’t. If 75% of kids are using social media it’s very hard to make the argument that your kid shouldn’t have a smartphone since your kid will argue that you are making them a social pariah (and rightfully so). As a society we collectively tell kids they can’t have destructive, addictive substances until they’re a certain age and I believe social media and smartphones belong in that category.
- Nasrudith 1y ago
  No, it is not better for children to grow up in a fucking Orwellian dystopia just because you have hang-ups about sex.
  - dyauspitr 1y ago
    I’m less concerned about porn/sex and more concerned about smartphone and social media usage.
    - ninjin 1y ago
      But why fall back on the state to police every website and service? Not to mention that the Internet is wider than any jurisdiction you can hope to achieve. Plenty of devices have parental controls and it is your duty as a parent to look into this and understand the consequences when you hand a device to your child that allows them to consume a global diet of media and connects them to a majority of the global populous. It is not unreasonable to expect device/software manufacturers to provide the power to parents to do this and we already have had the free market provide options for this for decades. To me, it is not any different than to expect a parent to consider the potential consequences of children playing in the streets, etc. and take action. Thus, to me, the people pushing this kind of legislation are either sloppy thinkers or dishonest in what aims they hope to achieve.
TrnsltLife 1y ago
Because it takes a village. Because I am my brother's keeper. Because as a society we have a responsibility to help and protect one another.
- LexiMax 1y ago
  The thought of being complicit in a society that guards abused children of fundamentalist christians against apostasy and thoughtcrime fills me with despair and dread. If that's the society we are heading towards, count me out. I shall sit on my hands to the best of my ability.

useless_eater 1y ago

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_Algernon_ 1y ago
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- tomhow 1y ago
  > Fucking troll. That comment was unacceptable and I replied to them to say so, but it's also not OK to comment like this on HN, no matter what you're replying to. If we want others to be better we need to be better ourselves. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
tomhow 1y ago
> I pray that you will find God and recover from whatever trauma you have been through. This is not an acceptable comment on HN, as it's a disguised personal attack. Please read the guidelines and make an effort to observe them in future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dyauspitr 1y ago

Because just like the argument with social media in my opinion it’s better to have governmental regulation on these things so millions of households don’t have to have the same argument with their kids and kids not on social media platforms don’t get left out of a significant percentage of teenage life effectively socially stunting them.

kelnos 1y ago
Millions of households talking about this stuff with their kids, setting rule and boundaries and punishments, is exactly what should happen. That is literally what parenting is, and every parent must do it. Pushing that responsibility to the state is not only lazy, it's anathema to a free society. Your children will grow up to be robots who only know how to do what an authority figure tells them to do.
- dyauspitr 1y ago
  In my opinion it shouldn’t. If 75% of kids are using social media it’s very hard to make the argument that your kid shouldn’t have a smartphone since your kid will argue that you are making them a social pariah (and rightfully so). As a society we collectively tell kids they can’t have destructive, addictive substances until they’re a certain age and I believe social media and smartphones belong in that category.
Nasrudith 1y ago
No, it is not better for children to grow up in a fucking Orwellian dystopia just because you have hang-ups about sex.
- dyauspitr 1y ago
  I’m less concerned about porn/sex and more concerned about smartphone and social media usage.
  - ninjin 1y ago
    But why fall back on the state to police every website and service? Not to mention that the Internet is wider than any jurisdiction you can hope to achieve. Plenty of devices have parental controls and it is your duty as a parent to look into this and understand the consequences when you hand a device to your child that allows them to consume a global diet of media and connects them to a majority of the global populous. It is not unreasonable to expect device/software manufacturers to provide the power to parents to do this and we already have had the free market provide options for this for decades. To me, it is not any different than to expect a parent to consider the potential consequences of children playing in the streets, etc. and take action. Thus, to me, the people pushing this kind of legislation are either sloppy thinkers or dishonest in what aims they hope to achieve.

TrnsltLife 1y ago

Because it takes a village. Because I am my brother's keeper. Because as a society we have a responsibility to help and protect one another.

LexiMax 1y ago
The thought of being complicit in a society that guards abused children of fundamentalist christians against apostasy and thoughtcrime fills me with despair and dread. If that's the society we are heading towards, count me out. I shall sit on my hands to the best of my ability.