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There was a thread on reddit asking the other day what about the modern world bothers you the most I actually considered this question and after thinking about
by gxs 1y ago
There was a thread on reddit asking the other day what about the modern world bothers you the most
I actually considered this question and after thinking about it, despite everything going on, I think it boils down to lack of privacy as my biggest gripe in the modern world
It’s such a tough concept to explain to the if you don’t have anything to hide crowd, but if someone wants to disappear, I don’t care if for good or bad reasons, they should be able to
If you don’t want the government on you, if you don’t want people you know to find you, if you just want to reinvent yourself, it doesn’t matter why - you should be able to do this. It just “feels” like an innate right. Normally I don’t like to argue using “vibes” as justification, but this to me is just part of my value system/morals which is inherently arbitrary to begin with
Encroaching on this privacy encroaches on a bunch of other rights, like free speech as you’ve mentioned
The fact that this is the case makes it even clearer to me that privacy is a basic fundamental primitive
Would love to hear alternative perspectives and other justifications for or against privacy
- olddustytrail 1y agoThat's literally what EU privacy laws are about and guess what... Anti government folk from the USA hated them and decided they were government overreach.
- base698 1y agoAh yes, lock you up for Facebook posts UK is the bastion of privacy.
- gxs 1y agoTo be fair to OP I don’t think the UK is in the EU
- olddustytrail 1y agoFirstly, the UK is not in the EU. That's what Brexit was. Secondly, incitement to violence is illegal in most countries. If you think it's not in yours, why not try it and see where you end up?
- latency-guy2 1y ago> Secondly, incitement to violence is illegal in most countries. If you think it's not in yours, why not try it and see where you end up? By all means, if that's the way you want to represent the issue, then there is no discussion to be had. I will, however, represent it this way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom#Specific_case_studies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingd... I can be compelled in a few situations in this incomplete list were of the "deserved" type. But you can't convince me on all of them.
- chgs 1y agoUs techbros like it when Bezos and Zuck and Musk have all the information, because you can “vote with your dollar” and avoid them.
- rdm_blackhole 1y agoPlease, the EU is trying to ban encryption at this very moment, to say the that EU is pro privacy is a bit of a joke really. Privacy from companies maybe, privacy from governments and cops, certainly not.
- olddustytrail 1y agoWhat did your MEP say when you complained to them about it?
- Eavolution 1y agoMine said the party was taking it very seriously and it's clearly something that is important to me. I trust them to do exactly nothing.
- const_cast 1y agoThe EU is both pro-privacy and anti-privacy. In many ways, they're ahead of the US - you can opt out of more telemetry, more advertising, more tracking. Good. But then the encryption stuff - bad. Informed consent laws - good. Laws about third-party tracking - good. So it's some good, some bad. But, on the topic of encryption, it's not like the US is pure here either.
- kergonath 1y ago> the EU is trying to ban encryption at this very moment, to say the that EU is pro privacy is a bit of a joke really. The EU is not a monolith. There are many people pushing in many different directions. Sometimes the result is good, sometimes less so.
- harvey9 1y agoAfter the pushing is done then the resulting regulations are a monolith
- delusional 1y ago> privacy from governments and cops It is very much not clear to me that you should have privacy from governments or cops. Aren't the whole point of the government and cops that they are the institutions we have created to entrust with this access?
- opello 1y agoEither so few people appreciate the freedom that privacy confers or the perceived conveniences for trading it away are too compelling because of just how little society has done to protect privacy. I only imagine it changing after a significant cultural change in which the economic value is not held as higher than the value of privacy, but would be delighted to be wrong in this regard.
- pixl97 1y agoThe cultural change will only come after society bears a significant cost.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoI appreciate your emotions, but can you explain how it impacts you in practice?
- jay_kyburz 1y agoI don't feel as strongly about privacy because "community" is what holds civilisation together. Its nice to have a little space, and to have your own thoughts and opinions, but not at the expense of civilisation. People should not be able to use privacy to evade responsibility or debts. We always need to balance freedoms with responsibility. Final thought is that this is precisely why government and politics is not a joke and needs to be taken seriously. We need small transparent governments we can trust and that are a held accountable. If you don't trust your government, you've got bigger problems than your privacy.
- raincole 1y ago> I don't feel as strongly about privacy because "community" is what holds civilisation together. Dude I'm sure most people are okay with their neighbors knowing their names and addresses. We're talking about the governments and megacorps here. Theses are not "communities" in any traditional sense. > small transparent governments No developed country has that. Not EU and definitely not the US. > If you don't trust your government No one should 100% trust their government.
- bawolff 1y ago> We always need to balance freedoms with responsibility. Sure, but is this a measure that appropriately balances it? I think the traditional view is that the balance should be: your rights end where they start stepping on another person's rights. We aren't really talking about someone else being harmed, we are talking about (at worst) someone harming themselves. There is no other person being harmed. On the other hand, porn habits are a great way to blackmail people. When the identity data gets leaked, it will very easily ruin lives. From a balance perspective, i don't really think it follows that the benefits are worth the potential harms. I think civilization is best preserved by not doing this.
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- stubish 1y agoPrivacy is required for the mental health of many people, perhaps everyone except the extroverted and naive. Anxiety and fear over people watched, caught, punished, especially innocently. Anxiety and fear over their lack of privacy being abused and harming them, such as currently popularized with identity theft and other crimes, or simple ridicule or bullying. And the resultant chilling effects, where people who wish to speak feel they cannot because they might suffer, especially in cases where this is an actual risk rather than normal existential dread. Without privacy, you can't be inclusive.