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Bubonic

mcv 1y ago
According to the article, they're all the same plague, but it manifests differently based on which organs it hits. Apparently there's a couple of cases every year, but I've got to say that amidst the return of measles and various other diseases, the cuts in healthcare, this is not a great look.
- Waterluvian 1y ago
  Apparently it’s very easy to treat, if you can and do seek treatment. Which is why the annual deaths are usually rural regions.
  - toomuchtodo 1y ago
    https://ruralhospitals.chqpr.org/Map.html https://ruralhospitals.chqpr.org/Map.html
  - ginko 1y ago
    From the article: >Symptoms often begin within a week of infection and may include fever, chills, swollen lymph nodes, nausea and weakness. If I had symptoms like that I think I'd just stay at home and not visit a doctor yet. Certainly not within 24 hours of them showing up.
    - jll29 1y ago
      Mumps, a common kid's viral disease, has overlapping symptoms, so many people might follow a "let's wait and see" approach. Also, medical practitioners may not immediately put on their bioharzard protection suite when someone walks in with swollen lymph nodes and nausea. That's why it is important to take news of incidents and location of the occurrence into consideration, both as a patient and as medical staff.
      - SoftTalker 1y ago
        Mumps is commonly vaccinated against when children are very young. It’s one of the Ms in the MMR vaccine.
        asyx 1y ago
        It’s 2025 my guy. Can’t count on kids getting vaccinated anymore.
        Waterluvian 1y ago
        Depends where you are. I guess the U.S. has an outsized representation online but it’s less than 5% of the world. Up here kids are not permitted to go to school without it. There’s some exceptions but they’re, in practice, very difficult to secure.
        SoftTalker 1y ago
        The vast majority are. Most parents are not idiots.
        deleted 1y ago
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        0xbadcafebee 1y ago
        That may not be true. Most people are idiots, and most parents are people.
        eldaisfish 1y ago
        why, then, are measles cases on the rise in north america?
        SoftTalker 1y ago
        Its true that they are but the number of cases is still just around 1,000 which is not many in the context of the overall population, and only about 1/10 of the numbers we saw in the late 1980/early 1990s. Most parents still get their kids vaccinated. You hear about the few oddballs that don't when their kids get sick and it's trumpted all over the news as if it's a new pandemic.
- rayiner 1y ago
  As of July 2025, the U.S. had about 1,300 measles cases compared to over 2,700 in Canada as of May 2025: https://vaxopedia.org/2025/06/02/the-north-american-measles-outbreak-of-2025 https://vaxopedia.org/2025/06/02/the-north-american-measles-.... See also: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-measles-cases-hit-highest-number-33-years/story?id=123564379 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-measles-cases-hit-highest-n... Canada obviously had only 1/10th the population. Your attempted connection to domestic policies is spurious.
  - Waterluvian 1y ago
    I think the statistical anomaly you point out is an incredibly worthwhile thing to explore. There’s something to understand there. But I’m not sure it directly supports or refutes any arguments about domestic policies, other than perhaps saying that domestic policy making does not have a 100% guaranteed desired effect. There’s likely numerous other variables to explore.
    - rayiner 1y ago
      No, I’m agreeing that it’s not about domestic policies. That’s my point. OP tried to bring domestic cuts to Medicaid into the issue to make it sound like the measles cases in the U.S. have something to do with that domestic policy.
      - mcv 1y ago
        That's a misrepresentation. I did not claim that the cuts to medicaid caused the rise in measles; that would have been a silly claim, considering those cuts are being made right now, whereas the rise in measles is already ongoing. I'm saying it's part of a pattern. The rise in measles, after it was practically eliminated, is obviously caused by the rise in anti-vax beliefs. And that plus the other factors I mentioned are part of a pattern of carelessness and misinformation around public health. All of it put together, these are extremely worrisome developments.
        rayiner 1y ago

Bubonic

mcv 1y ago

According to the article, they're all the same plague, but it manifests differently based on which organs it hits. Apparently there's a couple of cases every year, but I've got to say that amidst the return of measles and various other diseases, the cuts in healthcare, this is not a great look.

Waterluvian 1y ago
Apparently it’s very easy to treat, if you can and do seek treatment. Which is why the annual deaths are usually rural regions.
- toomuchtodo 1y ago
  https://ruralhospitals.chqpr.org/Map.html https://ruralhospitals.chqpr.org/Map.html
- ginko 1y ago
  From the article: >Symptoms often begin within a week of infection and may include fever, chills, swollen lymph nodes, nausea and weakness. If I had symptoms like that I think I'd just stay at home and not visit a doctor yet. Certainly not within 24 hours of them showing up.
  - jll29 1y ago
    Mumps, a common kid's viral disease, has overlapping symptoms, so many people might follow a "let's wait and see" approach. Also, medical practitioners may not immediately put on their bioharzard protection suite when someone walks in with swollen lymph nodes and nausea. That's why it is important to take news of incidents and location of the occurrence into consideration, both as a patient and as medical staff.
    - SoftTalker 1y ago
      Mumps is commonly vaccinated against when children are very young. It’s one of the Ms in the MMR vaccine.
      - asyx 1y ago
        It’s 2025 my guy. Can’t count on kids getting vaccinated anymore.
        Waterluvian 1y ago
        Depends where you are. I guess the U.S. has an outsized representation online but it’s less than 5% of the world. Up here kids are not permitted to go to school without it. There’s some exceptions but they’re, in practice, very difficult to secure.
        SoftTalker 1y ago
        The vast majority are. Most parents are not idiots.
        deleted 1y ago
        [deleted]
        0xbadcafebee 1y ago
        That may not be true. Most people are idiots, and most parents are people.
        eldaisfish 1y ago
        why, then, are measles cases on the rise in north america?
        SoftTalker 1y ago
        Its true that they are but the number of cases is still just around 1,000 which is not many in the context of the overall population, and only about 1/10 of the numbers we saw in the late 1980/early 1990s. Most parents still get their kids vaccinated. You hear about the few oddballs that don't when their kids get sick and it's trumpted all over the news as if it's a new pandemic.
rayiner 1y ago
As of July 2025, the U.S. had about 1,300 measles cases compared to over 2,700 in Canada as of May 2025: https://vaxopedia.org/2025/06/02/the-north-american-measles-outbreak-of-2025 https://vaxopedia.org/2025/06/02/the-north-american-measles-.... See also: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-measles-cases-hit-highest-number-33-years/story?id=123564379 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-measles-cases-hit-highest-n... Canada obviously had only 1/10th the population. Your attempted connection to domestic policies is spurious.
- Waterluvian 1y ago
  I think the statistical anomaly you point out is an incredibly worthwhile thing to explore. There’s something to understand there. But I’m not sure it directly supports or refutes any arguments about domestic policies, other than perhaps saying that domestic policy making does not have a 100% guaranteed desired effect. There’s likely numerous other variables to explore.
  - rayiner 1y ago
    No, I’m agreeing that it’s not about domestic policies. That’s my point. OP tried to bring domestic cuts to Medicaid into the issue to make it sound like the measles cases in the U.S. have something to do with that domestic policy.
    - mcv 1y ago
      That's a misrepresentation. I did not claim that the cuts to medicaid caused the rise in measles; that would have been a silly claim, considering those cuts are being made right now, whereas the rise in measles is already ongoing. I'm saying it's part of a pattern. The rise in measles, after it was practically eliminated, is obviously caused by the rise in anti-vax beliefs. And that plus the other factors I mentioned are part of a pattern of carelessness and misinformation around public health. All of it put together, these are extremely worrisome developments.
      - rayiner 1y ago