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This is something outside of the power of the executive, but that Trump is even willing to express that he'd revoke the citizenship of someone (who, let's remem

This is something outside of the power of the executive, but that Trump is even willing to express that he'd revoke the citizenship of someone (who, let's remember, isn't even an immigrant) because they disagree with him politically should anger every single US citizen regardless of their political bent.

catlover76 1y ago
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toomuchtodo 1y ago
He’s just a bully who is going to bully until he expires. He doesn’t care about the law, he’ll say whatever makes him feel powerful and stokes his supporters. Nothing you can do except operate around it until he goes, and luckily, we all go eventually. She’s far safer in Ireland than on US soil for the remainder of this administration, and can challenge any unconstitutional infringements on her citizenship from afar.
- krapp 1y ago
  It doesn't matter what he says, all that matters is what he tries, and what his sycophants in Congress and the Supreme Court let him get away with. Rosie O'Donnell is a leftist and gay, so millions of Americans would have no qualms at all about putting her in a camp or shipping her off somewhere, regardless of her citizenship. But I suspect the Overton Window hasn't shifted far enough yet that her whiteness wouldn't make it political suicide even for Trump. Let the discourse about birthright citizenship percolate, though (although the courts are currently pushing against Trump in this regard,) and that might change.
  - willmarch 1y ago
    It does matter what a president says, or are we really that jaded?
    - bediger4000 1y ago
      It does matter what a president says. Heck, it matters what a king or dictator says. If a dictator trolls (lies on the edge of believability) I personally would be less likely to take a hint from him, or to have high morale.
    - krapp 1y ago
      I mean, I think at this point a lot of us are really that jaded, the last decade has been pretty traumatic. I feel like I have a scab on my soul. But it really doesn't matter what this specific president says, because he's a senile, lying, prevaricating, shit-stirring lunatic. People will dismiss what he's doing as trolling or whatever (because in this case it's so out of pocket that one doesn't even have the fig leaf of "illegal immigration" to justify it) but if he actually tries it then the people will justify it somehow. But either way, Trump's words are meaningless, only his actions matter.
      - willmarch 1y ago
        I think the very fact that we don't hold him accountable for the things that he says is the reason he is acting more and more like a "senile, lying, prevaricating, shit-stirring lunatic" and why he and his followers are more and more likely to abuse the system and attempt to circumvent basic norms and laws. He floats something that is "insane" in the sense that it is either outside of norms or simply illegal, then he watches how people react. If there isn't much pushback, then he goes ahead and tries that action in a slightly less obnoxious way. It's a way of gauging his supporter's will, the political opposition, and the citizen's level of exhaustion to fight back against such things. Iterate this behavior over and over again and the levels of what is "acceptable" behavior keeps being moved further outside of what we would have considered acceptable even just a few years before. The Overton window keeps shifting, more radical ideas keep getting floated, his supporters become more emboldened (with the help of media echo chambers), and the citizen's expectations for what is civil behavior continues to erode; all because we slowly become numb to the audacity of it all. There is always some amount of misunderstand and obfuscation within communication but the fact we have allowed a sitting US president to blatantly lie continuously about the most basic and important parts of our government system (such as denying constitutionally protected basic human rights exist) as a political tool is a big part of why we are in the position we are right now as a nation. Maybe that is what the majority wants and I'm in the minority for wanting and expecting civil behavior from our leaders, I honestly don't know anymore, but I hope not.
AnimalMuppet 1y ago
It should anger, and concern. And maybe even alarm. Either Trump doesn't know that such a move is beyond his legal power, or he knows but intends to do it anyway, or he doesn't intend to do it at all and this is just his latest over-the-top way of expressing disapproval. The last one is, I suppose, the least alarming, but I still find it alarming that someone who thinks such bullying tactics are acceptable is the president.
- WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
  > Either Guy doesn't know that such a move is beyond his legal power, or he knows but intends to do it anyway Likeliest: He chooses to not believe what is clearly outside his authority. Bolstering that are/is: Numerous judges (inc SCotUS) that are overwhelmingly deferential to ongoing WhiteHouse abuses How the massive weight of burdens imposed upon WH victims tends to devastate their ability to defend themselves How the damage done by the WH is immediate and deeply destructive, while any relief is tentative, delayed and broadly insufficient

catlover76 1y ago

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toomuchtodo 1y ago

He’s just a bully who is going to bully until he expires. He doesn’t care about the law, he’ll say whatever makes him feel powerful and stokes his supporters. Nothing you can do except operate around it until he goes, and luckily, we all go eventually. She’s far safer in Ireland than on US soil for the remainder of this administration, and can challenge any unconstitutional infringements on her citizenship from afar.

krapp 1y ago
It doesn't matter what he says, all that matters is what he tries, and what his sycophants in Congress and the Supreme Court let him get away with. Rosie O'Donnell is a leftist and gay, so millions of Americans would have no qualms at all about putting her in a camp or shipping her off somewhere, regardless of her citizenship. But I suspect the Overton Window hasn't shifted far enough yet that her whiteness wouldn't make it political suicide even for Trump. Let the discourse about birthright citizenship percolate, though (although the courts are currently pushing against Trump in this regard,) and that might change.
- willmarch 1y ago
  It does matter what a president says, or are we really that jaded?
  - bediger4000 1y ago
    It does matter what a president says. Heck, it matters what a king or dictator says. If a dictator trolls (lies on the edge of believability) I personally would be less likely to take a hint from him, or to have high morale.
  - krapp 1y ago
    I mean, I think at this point a lot of us are really that jaded, the last decade has been pretty traumatic. I feel like I have a scab on my soul. But it really doesn't matter what this specific president says, because he's a senile, lying, prevaricating, shit-stirring lunatic. People will dismiss what he's doing as trolling or whatever (because in this case it's so out of pocket that one doesn't even have the fig leaf of "illegal immigration" to justify it) but if he actually tries it then the people will justify it somehow. But either way, Trump's words are meaningless, only his actions matter.
    - willmarch 1y ago
      I think the very fact that we don't hold him accountable for the things that he says is the reason he is acting more and more like a "senile, lying, prevaricating, shit-stirring lunatic" and why he and his followers are more and more likely to abuse the system and attempt to circumvent basic norms and laws. He floats something that is "insane" in the sense that it is either outside of norms or simply illegal, then he watches how people react. If there isn't much pushback, then he goes ahead and tries that action in a slightly less obnoxious way. It's a way of gauging his supporter's will, the political opposition, and the citizen's level of exhaustion to fight back against such things. Iterate this behavior over and over again and the levels of what is "acceptable" behavior keeps being moved further outside of what we would have considered acceptable even just a few years before. The Overton window keeps shifting, more radical ideas keep getting floated, his supporters become more emboldened (with the help of media echo chambers), and the citizen's expectations for what is civil behavior continues to erode; all because we slowly become numb to the audacity of it all. There is always some amount of misunderstand and obfuscation within communication but the fact we have allowed a sitting US president to blatantly lie continuously about the most basic and important parts of our government system (such as denying constitutionally protected basic human rights exist) as a political tool is a big part of why we are in the position we are right now as a nation. Maybe that is what the majority wants and I'm in the minority for wanting and expecting civil behavior from our leaders, I honestly don't know anymore, but I hope not.

AnimalMuppet 1y ago

It should anger, and concern. And maybe even alarm. Either Trump doesn't know that such a move is beyond his legal power, or he knows but intends to do it anyway, or he doesn't intend to do it at all and this is just his latest over-the-top way of expressing disapproval. The last one is, I suppose, the least alarming, but I still find it alarming that someone who thinks such bullying tactics are acceptable is the president.

WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
> Either Guy doesn't know that such a move is beyond his legal power, or he knows but intends to do it anyway Likeliest: He chooses to not believe what is clearly outside his authority. Bolstering that are/is: Numerous judges (inc SCotUS) that are overwhelmingly deferential to ongoing WhiteHouse abuses How the massive weight of burdens imposed upon WH victims tends to devastate their ability to defend themselves How the damage done by the WH is immediate and deeply destructive, while any relief is tentative, delayed and broadly insufficient