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Revival: There appears to be media consensus: "Bluesky is dead."
- muglug 1y agoIronically these articles probably do quite well traffic-wise because Bluesky doesn’t downrank posts with external links, and the articles get a lot of (negative) responses on the platform.
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- jeswin 1y ago> All social media should be banned to force people to socialize IRL. Why? I don't particularly enjoy talking to people.
- sampl3username 1y ago[flagged]
- RandomBacon 1y agoTalking to people ≠ Being around people
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- DecentShoes 1y agoWhat type of site did you make this comment on?
- owebmaster 1y agoAre you implying that HN is social media? So was Usenet too? If everything is social media we can just call it the internet then
- detaro 1y agoIf reddit is (and it is commonly considered social media), why would HN, which is in many ways similar, just more focussed, not be?
- aspenmayer 1y agoSocial media refers to the mode as well as the medium of interaction, but central to the idea of social media interactions are that they are mediated by a third party. Usenet is a protocol, and is decentralized. I think a better analogue for social media in the Usenet context would be something closer to BBSes, though I don't see why using certain newsgroups which have specific socializing focus couldn't be considered engaging with/using social media conceptually, but this would not capture the word social media as it is used, which implies social media properties, and social media nearly implies websites, as that is where the social aspects come from: not just being able to post, but to comment and react, but perhaps most importantly to my mind, social media must be able to be shared, and that usually means URLs, but not always. Conceptually, I think Usenet fits into certain social media shaped holes, but at the same time, it doesn't fit into others. Timelines and feeds are another aspect that I haven't touched on, but Usenet lets you do whatever your client lets you, but for that same reason it doesn't fit quite right in the concept space, for the same reason you wouldn't call IRC social media.
- idle_zealot 1y agoI struggle with the ethics of this. On one hand, social media seems to be socially deleterious. On the other, outright banning mass communication sounds horrifically draconian, and probably harmful in its own right. The idea I end up leaning toward is banning the way social media platforms monetize their users; targeted advertising. That's probably socially harmful on its own, or at the very least isn't too great a loss in terms of efficiency or individual rights. Of course, it's possible that social media platforms find another way to successfully monetize, and such a ban fails to eliminate social media in its current form, but if that happens we could always try again with another policy until the desired outcome is achieved.
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- diggan 1y agoThought exercise: can you come up with any positive effects of social media whatsoever?
- owebmaster 1y agoFor the stakeholders I can name 10.
- diggan 1y agoWhat about for the world, or for the average person? Any positives at all?
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- owebmaster 1y agoCan you start the list?
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- tootie 1y ago> hypersensitivity to ideas leftists find offensive” Nobody was fleeing Twitter because people were calling for lower taxes. It was for the rise in unrestrained hate speech culminating in the unleashing of MechaHitler by the guy who cancelled the world's biggest AIDS prevention program after buying an election. That should be an intolerable state for any rational person.
- theturtle 1y agoMy sister-in-law was working for USAID in Mozambique on exactly that. People down there are going to die exactly because of that. She is back in America wondering what she'll do next, as she trained for public health her entire life.
- burnt-resistor 1y agoThe smart thing would to be reconstitute something like it with prior staff and new philanthropic investments as a nonprofit unconstrained by government whims.
- soraminazuki 1y agoThe private sector alone can't fix inequalities. We need government intervention to redistribute wealth, or else the rich will use their vast resources to tilt the system to make themselves even richer at the expense of everyone else.
- tootie 1y agoBill Gates is the largest private funder of AIDS causes in Africa and he is adamant that philanthropy can never match the impact of government.
- detaro 1y agoIt's always funny (and a bit sad) how media people don't grasp that people don't use social media the same way they do, and there is value outside their expectations. I'm not on social media to provide "engagement" to media companies or journalists, nor am I for general politics. While there is some utility to platforms where "everyone" is, that a) never was actually true of any of them, as much as journalists loved to pretend Twitter reflected "everyone" and b) just not what most people need.
- spacemadness 1y agoIt seems like if the masses aren’t swarming to it, it’s dead. I don’t think a massive audience ever equated to better conversations and content. Especially in our engagement economy. It seems to just dumb everything down and restarts Eternal September. I think Mastodon is on the right track. It feels closer to the early web to me and I think part of that is the fact out isn’t an everyday term like Twitter but it’s also how it’s architected. Albeit it is still short form content so had all of the problems that come with it.
- hyperman1 1y agoI've seen it described as: Marketing has no middle gear. Everything is either the best thing ever or dead. Trucking along nicely does not exist in that world.
- jasonm23 1y agoIt's more that media searches for an ending, endlessly. But cannot accept it's own. Bluesky and Mastadon supply a place, separate from the toxicity of "attempted narrative control" Labeling Bluesky as toxic, is an irony beyond the pale, but... it'll float with that ecosystem, where everything is transactional and a "better crafted lie" is the endless goal.
- uwemaurer 1y agoBluesky / ATProto is very open, this makes it possible to track the exact statistics how the platform is growing (or shrinking currently): https://bluefacts.app/bluesky-user-growth https://bluefacts.app/bluesky-user-growth
- user568439 1y agoI'm kind of forced to use X because to help my sick wife I follow on Long Covid research, people self-reporting improvement and so on. Is there a way to get what I want without using X directly unless I interact? Notice that I need to be able to easily "follow" new people if someone I already follow retweets/likes someone new and interesting to me. Or also navigate through chain of retweets and references
- drivingmenuts 1y agoOn Bluesky, I don't need to be ashamed that I'm helping a Neo-Nazi.
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- theturtle 1y agoThey at least mentioned Mastodon (once). I have a BlooSky account, mostly to claim my usual username, but I don't feel much of a pull. The Mastodon instance I'm on tends to pull a lot of alt people, people who wrestle interesting tech, and a lot of catpictures. I have yet to find the same niche on BS. I still have my account on birdsite, where I post maybe once every six months, "y'know, there are other, better places..."
- krapp 1y agoI'm still on Twitter to follow a few Japanese art and author accounts (and because I had the account since 2009 and just don't want the bots to take it,) and on Bluesky to follow some bigger accounts who jumped ship but not to Mastodon. The majority of my actual activity is on Mastodon, though. I just wish it was possible to share identity between other fediverse platforms like Pixelfed. Although that isn't something you can do on the mainstream web either, it feels like it should be a thing between platforms sharing a common standard.
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- FreeTrade 1y agoBluesky prioritized safe-space culture over free speech and decentralization. Interesting experiment but that's not what a Twitter replacement needs to be.
- krapp 1y agoAnyone looking for "free speech" can already find it on Twitter in abundance, they don't need a replacement. The only draw to being a Twitter replacement is not being like Twitter, which means not being a safe space for Nazi and Nazi-adjacent content.
- xigoi 1y ago> Anyone looking for "free speech" can already find it on Twitter in abundance, they don't need a replacement. From what I’ve heard, Elon deletes a lot of stuff he disagrees with.
- tkel 1y agoUnless you're an anti-fascist ... Musk made sure to personally ban the large anti-fascist accounts immediately upon taking over twitter Also the word "cisgender" is banned
- krapp 1y agoYes, I'm intentionally being facetious using "free speech" with the same implication that most people complaining about the lack of "free speech" on Bluesky or Mastodon do, which is to say the freedom to post racist right-wing propaganda and hate speech without consequence.
- xigoi 1y agoNo, I want actual free speech, where Nazis are allowed to freely post their nonsense and I’m allowed to freely laugh at them. And Twitter is not that. > If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all. —Noam Chomsky
- archagon 1y agoUh, news to me. My feed is about as active as my Twitter feed ever was.