4 ms·

Most claims of racism in America are in fact classism. Very, very few people have actual dislike of others based on race. But a whole lot of people dislike peop

by bigstrat2003 1y ago

Most claims of racism in America are in fact classism. Very, very few people have actual dislike of others based on race. But a whole lot of people dislike people due to culture or class signals.

IOT_Apprentice 1y ago
Do you think Stephen Miller is a classist rather than a bigot? Why not both? I mean he is only worth somewhere between 1-10 million. Shrug. I think Vivek Ramaswamy found out how that worked out for himself in politics and at DOGE as a billionaire. I suspect your view of very, very few is suspect. The founding ideas of MAGA certainly cling to it. The 60-70 million voters for it have zero issues with it.
- Sammi 1y ago
  He said "most" , not "all".
lucyjojo 1y ago
as a black man that has been around. i seriously doubt that.
burnt-resistor 1y ago
Since you brought it up, this political-leaning topic is fair game. > Most claims of racism in America are in fact classism. This is bald-faced racism denialism and makes a sweeping generalization. For example, the Trump administration is going after immigrants not for economic or class reasons but as a dogwhistle for their Floridian golf club members who don't like minorities of any sort and to appease a large section of the base of covert and overt racists generally. There is no logic in exiling and disappearing the low cost labor needed to product food, build homes, and do the terrible jobs that make civilization possible.. because it is mission of dumb people sabotaging themselves and others. The selective protection plus oppression and criminalization of undocumented people is grounded in the need to control a desperate, underpaid population to keep prices of agriculture, home construction, and restaurant prices lower than paying ordinary, livable wages to them. > Very, very few people have actual dislike of others based on race. You can't know this. And, it's leans towards false because of how propinquity works.
- amy214 1y ago
  >ut as a dogwhistle for their Floridian golf club members who don't like minorities of any sort and to appease a large section of the base of covert and overt racists generally. I mean, here's how I see it, if 100 million Polish people, a very white peoples, suddenly claimed asylum in the US, had 300 million anchor babies to exploit that loophole, used the anchor baby army to claim massive funds of welfare in aggregate, all the while claiming zero income while working under the table and undercutting the common man ... ... and also driving drunk and refusing to learn any English and demanding Americans ought to learn Polish If the Polish people did that I'd have it in to deport them all. And it wouldn't be about race at all, it would be the overwhelming unfair advantages and systematic exploits the Polish performed in this case. The racist narrative is just another manifestation of "playing the race card" to defend indefensible, selfish, toxic behavior
  - const_cast 1y ago
    Yes, if this other thing happened which didn't really happen then things would be different. How enlightening, did you come up with this yourself?
  - roughly 1y ago
    Not so much a dog whistle as a dog symphony orchestra at this point
  - Clamchop 1y ago
    Good thing this scenario is entirely fictional. Even if it weren't completely made up, though, you'd still be ethically obligated to assess immigrants as individuals and not simply guilty by association, except perhaps under the most dire wartime circumstances. You'd also be legally obligated, but to be lawful is not always the same thing as being ethical nor moral. It would be challenging, I admit, considering the country will have doubled in size with half of them being infants that naturally don't speak English, or any language for that matter. We really should close that loophole, though. And it definitely is a loophole and not the explicit intention of a constitutional amendment. An oversight to be sure.

Most claims of racism in America are in fact classism. Very, very few people have actual dislike of others based on race. But a whole lot of people dislike people due to culture or class signals.

IOT_Apprentice 1y ago

Do you think Stephen Miller is a classist rather than a bigot? Why not both? I mean he is only worth somewhere between 1-10 million. Shrug. I think Vivek Ramaswamy found out how that worked out for himself in politics and at DOGE as a billionaire. I suspect your view of very, very few is suspect. The founding ideas of MAGA certainly cling to it. The 60-70 million voters for it have zero issues with it.

Sammi 1y ago
He said "most" , not "all".

lucyjojo 1y ago

as a black man that has been around. i seriously doubt that.

burnt-resistor 1y ago

Since you brought it up, this political-leaning topic is fair game. > Most claims of racism in America are in fact classism. This is bald-faced racism denialism and makes a sweeping generalization. For example, the Trump administration is going after immigrants not for economic or class reasons but as a dogwhistle for their Floridian golf club members who don't like minorities of any sort and to appease a large section of the base of covert and overt racists generally. There is no logic in exiling and disappearing the low cost labor needed to product food, build homes, and do the terrible jobs that make civilization possible.. because it is mission of dumb people sabotaging themselves and others. The selective protection plus oppression and criminalization of undocumented people is grounded in the need to control a desperate, underpaid population to keep prices of agriculture, home construction, and restaurant prices lower than paying ordinary, livable wages to them. > Very, very few people have actual dislike of others based on race. You can't know this. And, it's leans towards false because of how propinquity works.

amy214 1y ago
>ut as a dogwhistle for their Floridian golf club members who don't like minorities of any sort and to appease a large section of the base of covert and overt racists generally. I mean, here's how I see it, if 100 million Polish people, a very white peoples, suddenly claimed asylum in the US, had 300 million anchor babies to exploit that loophole, used the anchor baby army to claim massive funds of welfare in aggregate, all the while claiming zero income while working under the table and undercutting the common man ... ... and also driving drunk and refusing to learn any English and demanding Americans ought to learn Polish If the Polish people did that I'd have it in to deport them all. And it wouldn't be about race at all, it would be the overwhelming unfair advantages and systematic exploits the Polish performed in this case. The racist narrative is just another manifestation of "playing the race card" to defend indefensible, selfish, toxic behavior
- const_cast 1y ago
  Yes, if this other thing happened which didn't really happen then things would be different. How enlightening, did you come up with this yourself?
- roughly 1y ago
  Not so much a dog whistle as a dog symphony orchestra at this point
- Clamchop 1y ago
  Good thing this scenario is entirely fictional. Even if it weren't completely made up, though, you'd still be ethically obligated to assess immigrants as individuals and not simply guilty by association, except perhaps under the most dire wartime circumstances. You'd also be legally obligated, but to be lawful is not always the same thing as being ethical nor moral. It would be challenging, I admit, considering the country will have doubled in size with half of them being infants that naturally don't speak English, or any language for that matter. We really should close that loophole, though. And it definitely is a loophole and not the explicit intention of a constitutional amendment. An oversight to be sure.