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FEMA has "Emergency" in the name. Traditionally, it's supposed to come in when the normal rescue infrastructure has failed, due to earthquake, weather, etc. Y

by bb88 1y ago

FEMA has "Emergency" in the name. Traditionally, it's supposed to come in when the normal rescue infrastructure has failed, due to earthquake, weather, etc. You're not optimizing for cost here. You're optimizing for reliable emergency management -- and that's going to cost money. If you wanted a different agency, like one that prioritized "recovery after 6 months", well, it would help to inform the nation that FEMA is no longer the nationwide emergency management agency. It's up to the local and state governments.

scarface_74 1y ago
And Texas voters overwhelmingly voted for politicians who caused this and still make excuses for these same politicians. I am tired of caring for people who vote for people that harm them.
- cjohnson318 1y ago
  I thought that there was a bar somewhere, a line that would not be crossed, but there isn't, it's just straight up identity politics, or owning the libs, whatever you want to call it.
  - mjevans 1y ago
    Please remember to take the statements posters make in the best possible light. My interpretation of such is that they're sick of voters who expect a double standard. Don't do something ''I'' don't like when it helps other people, but when ''I'' need help godspeed.
    - DonHopkins 1y ago
      The best possible light is that he cares about the lives of the little girls and many others that Trump and Musk and Noem and DOGE killed more than owning the libs and canceling NOAA.
  - bb88 1y ago
    There has always been a place for emergency management. Just ask Kansas about tornados in the 1960s/70s before the rise of doppler radar. And even after in 2007, there was Greensburg, KS. We can and probably should have arguments about the effective cost of government programs. But Kerr County residents fought hard to not pay $20 per resident (assuming population of 53,000) for a $1M flood warning system. So this is the outcome. And it will cost Kerr County way more than $1M in cleanup.
- jfengel 1y ago
  And they are going to vote for them again. Next November is a million years from now. Though for that matter this will be forgotten by the November.
  - mulmen 1y ago
    Putting this out in the world doesn’t help.
    - longfingers 1y ago
      I think the political spectrum is dangerous because people expect the Paradox of Tolerance and similar correlations to silence the left in places where the right will happily speak.
    - jfengel 1y ago
      There is only one thing that might help: making it clear that this is going to keep happening. There are a lot of people who could help, but haven't in the past. If a small fraction of them realize that this is a problem that they can help fix with very little effort, then maybe it might get better. Having said that, here's the really unhelpful part: I don't think this will work, either. I believe that the overwhelming majority of people vote the same every time, including choosing not to vote. The only thing that changes is a microscopic minority, and they choose randomly. I believe that if we re-ran the 2024 election again right now, the result would be identical. I point that out only to say the my original comment is me being optimistic. I actually think it's even worse.
      - mulmen 1y ago
        Yeah see you’re just putting negativity into the world. I come here for intellectual curiosity. I want to hear new ideas. You’re not saying anything new. You’re leaving the social media equivalent of dog turds on the sidewalk. Please be a better neighbor.
        scarface_74 1y ago
- taormina 1y ago
  Not every person in the state voted for this. The dead children didn’t vote for anyone. Have an ounce of compassion or empathy.
  - thephyber 1y ago
    The town that was flooded rejected _free funds_ from the federal government during Covid because they were choking on a red pill of conspiranoia. Destiny (the streamer) did a recent streaming session where he watched the video of the town feedback regarding accepting / rejecting federal government funds from the American Recovery Act (for sirens and standardized first responder comms systems). The short version of the plot is the people were propagandized to distrust the Biden Admin, so they rejected the free upgrades. The voters pressured the town council (one was an actual threat of violence, followed by threats of “consequences”) if the town council accepted the federal funds. There are consequences to voters and representatives who no longer believe in our shared objective reality. I don’t blame the little girls, but with freedom comes responsibility. Their parents were responsible for choosing the camp they went to. The camp owner and staff made the risk evaluations of allowing them to sleep in a flood plain during a storm. The local town voted for their representatives and those representatives rejected federal funds which would have given them a chance to survive without cell coverage. Ultimately your parent comment wasn’t necessarily assigning individual blame. In a democratic republic, the voters / citizens / residents (in aggregate) are ultimately responsible for the actions that elected representatives take in their name.
    - cjohnson318 1y ago
      > voters and representatives who no longer believe in our shared objective reality. This hits the nail on the head. Before you talk to someone, there's no telling what planet they're going to be on. Maybe you can talk about the weather. Maybe they think the Democrats control the weather with space lasers. There's just no telling.
  - XorNot 1y ago
    The people deserving of compassion and sympathy are dead. The people who killed them are busy explaining why despite the repeated warnings and tax payer funding, this actually wasn't their fault.
- deleted 1y ago
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DonHopkins 1y ago
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- disposition2 1y ago
  Noem is the head of DHS. The (acting) head of FEMA, David Richardson [1], hasn’t visited the disaster area and apparently hasn’t made any public appearances for months [2]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Richardson_(government_official)?wprov=sfti1#Director_of_FEMA_(2025%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Richardson_(government_o... 2. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/fema-leader-texas-flooding-00445902 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/fema-leader-texas-f...
  - j_w 1y ago
    Yes and FEMA is under DHS.

by bb88 1y ago

scarface_74 1y ago

And Texas voters overwhelmingly voted for politicians who caused this and still make excuses for these same politicians. I am tired of caring for people who vote for people that harm them.

cjohnson318 1y ago
I thought that there was a bar somewhere, a line that would not be crossed, but there isn't, it's just straight up identity politics, or owning the libs, whatever you want to call it.
- mjevans 1y ago
  Please remember to take the statements posters make in the best possible light. My interpretation of such is that they're sick of voters who expect a double standard. Don't do something ''I'' don't like when it helps other people, but when ''I'' need help godspeed.
  - DonHopkins 1y ago
    The best possible light is that he cares about the lives of the little girls and many others that Trump and Musk and Noem and DOGE killed more than owning the libs and canceling NOAA.
- bb88 1y ago
  There has always been a place for emergency management. Just ask Kansas about tornados in the 1960s/70s before the rise of doppler radar. And even after in 2007, there was Greensburg, KS. We can and probably should have arguments about the effective cost of government programs. But Kerr County residents fought hard to not pay $20 per resident (assuming population of 53,000) for a $1M flood warning system. So this is the outcome. And it will cost Kerr County way more than $1M in cleanup.
jfengel 1y ago
And they are going to vote for them again. Next November is a million years from now. Though for that matter this will be forgotten by the November.
- mulmen 1y ago
  Putting this out in the world doesn’t help.
  - longfingers 1y ago
    I think the political spectrum is dangerous because people expect the Paradox of Tolerance and similar correlations to silence the left in places where the right will happily speak.
  - jfengel 1y ago
    There is only one thing that might help: making it clear that this is going to keep happening. There are a lot of people who could help, but haven't in the past. If a small fraction of them realize that this is a problem that they can help fix with very little effort, then maybe it might get better. Having said that, here's the really unhelpful part: I don't think this will work, either. I believe that the overwhelming majority of people vote the same every time, including choosing not to vote. The only thing that changes is a microscopic minority, and they choose randomly. I believe that if we re-ran the 2024 election again right now, the result would be identical. I point that out only to say the my original comment is me being optimistic. I actually think it's even worse.
    - mulmen 1y ago
      Yeah see you’re just putting negativity into the world. I come here for intellectual curiosity. I want to hear new ideas. You’re not saying anything new. You’re leaving the social media equivalent of dog turds on the sidewalk. Please be a better neighbor.
      - scarface_74 1y ago
taormina 1y ago
Not every person in the state voted for this. The dead children didn’t vote for anyone. Have an ounce of compassion or empathy.
- thephyber 1y ago
  The town that was flooded rejected _free funds_ from the federal government during Covid because they were choking on a red pill of conspiranoia. Destiny (the streamer) did a recent streaming session where he watched the video of the town feedback regarding accepting / rejecting federal government funds from the American Recovery Act (for sirens and standardized first responder comms systems). The short version of the plot is the people were propagandized to distrust the Biden Admin, so they rejected the free upgrades. The voters pressured the town council (one was an actual threat of violence, followed by threats of “consequences”) if the town council accepted the federal funds. There are consequences to voters and representatives who no longer believe in our shared objective reality. I don’t blame the little girls, but with freedom comes responsibility. Their parents were responsible for choosing the camp they went to. The camp owner and staff made the risk evaluations of allowing them to sleep in a flood plain during a storm. The local town voted for their representatives and those representatives rejected federal funds which would have given them a chance to survive without cell coverage. Ultimately your parent comment wasn’t necessarily assigning individual blame. In a democratic republic, the voters / citizens / residents (in aggregate) are ultimately responsible for the actions that elected representatives take in their name.
  - cjohnson318 1y ago
    > voters and representatives who no longer believe in our shared objective reality. This hits the nail on the head. Before you talk to someone, there's no telling what planet they're going to be on. Maybe you can talk about the weather. Maybe they think the Democrats control the weather with space lasers. There's just no telling.
- XorNot 1y ago
  The people deserving of compassion and sympathy are dead. The people who killed them are busy explaining why despite the repeated warnings and tax payer funding, this actually wasn't their fault.
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DonHopkins 1y ago

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disposition2 1y ago
Noem is the head of DHS. The (acting) head of FEMA, David Richardson [1], hasn’t visited the disaster area and apparently hasn’t made any public appearances for months [2]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Richardson_(government_official)?wprov=sfti1#Director_of_FEMA_(2025%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Richardson_(government_o... 2. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/fema-leader-texas-flooding-00445902 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/fema-leader-texas-f...
- j_w 1y ago
  Yes and FEMA is under DHS.