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You might be new here? Welcome. Your quotes look strange, you need to give a reference. "Ships 6%" and "gets 43% of revenue" implies that the price point of A

by berntb 14y ago

You might be new here? Welcome. Your quotes look strange, you need to give a reference. "Ships 6%" and "gets 43% of revenue" implies that the price point of Apple products are 7+ times larger than the competition's products. That look unlikely, since the claim was about smart phones (not "phones" in general!) and tablets.

npguy 14y ago
Reference here: http://statspotting.com/2012/08/apple-the-smart-smartphone-maker/ http://statspotting.com/2012/08/apple-the-smart-smartphone-m...
- berntb 14y ago
  Please note that this should be a high quality web site. Don't "argue" by finding a random web page that claims something. I Googled market share smart phones 2012 quarter and got 16.9% for Apple in multiple sources, including Washington Post. In literally a minute. (Apple's market share in pads is much larger than this, so it would only increase the statistic.) http://www.bgr.com/2012/08/08/q2-2012-smartphone-market-share-idc/ http://www.bgr.com/2012/08/08/q2-2012-smartphone-market-shar... http://www.boston.com/business/technology/2012/08/29/worldwide-market-share-for-smartphones/JmyBJe5vkNmXtjCqBkqlFI/story.html http://www.boston.com/business/technology/2012/08/29/worldwi... http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/worldwide-market-share-for-smartphones-a-market-dominated-by-apple-and-android/2012/08/24/7d51fe0c-ee4a-11e1-b624-99dee49d8d67_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/worldwide-... Edit: I did learn something -- about AllThingsD. Which was the original source for your claim.
  - npguy 14y ago
    Sure, Thanks for the links. How do these websites define market share? it must be market share by revenue, right? my original comment was based on units -> then revenue -> then profits.
    - ZeroGravitas 14y ago
      No, they use units. Your 6% figure is clearly wrong (or 4 years out of date). For some reason Apple blogs regularly switch between smartphone and mobile phone numbers and get themselves and their readership mixed up. I don't know why, Apple's success in the smartphone market alone is impressive enough, but they seem to like to convince themselves that Samsung isn't making any money from Android smartphones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Wide_Smartphone_Sales_Share.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Wide_Smartphone_Sale...
  - Steko 14y ago
    Save the lectures imho, the source of the quote was a analyst cited by All Things D, hardly a random webpage. Also 43% of "industry revenue" not smartphone/tablet revenue. Try not to confuse people with tangents and red herrings.
    - berntb 14y ago
      >>43% of "industry revenue" not smartphone/tablet revenue. You're not touching the "6%" number, which was what I showed wrong? In what you comments on... Edit: Removed discussion of the revenue percentage, which wasn't so obviously wrong (I only questioned it in relation to the market share.)
      - Steko 14y ago
        Well you cited a different number, not the same as showing it was wrong. For the record I think your number is closer to right and I'm inclined to believe what's really meant was 6% of all phones but it could be a different definition on what constitutes a smartphone and/or the lower end of a broad range.
        berntb 14y ago
        >>you cited a different number Sigh, it is not my number -- it is Washington Post's number (and the remaining top hits on Google). And if you're not familiar with the US news market and Washington Post [Edit: Removed wikipedia link since ZeroGravitas wrote a better one in a parallel comment.] Now, go troll someone else. Preferably not on HN.
        slurgfest 14y ago
        The severity of your tone (go troll someone else, etc.) seems disproportionate... whether it is accurate or inaccurate, you seem to be actually offended by the 6% figure, yet looking over the thread I don't see anyone getting particularly personal with you, just discussing a topic.

by berntb 14y ago

npguy 14y ago

Reference here: http://statspotting.com/2012/08/apple-the-smart-smartphone-maker/ http://statspotting.com/2012/08/apple-the-smart-smartphone-m...

berntb 14y ago
Please note that this should be a high quality web site. Don't "argue" by finding a random web page that claims something. I Googled market share smart phones 2012 quarter and got 16.9% for Apple in multiple sources, including Washington Post. In literally a minute. (Apple's market share in pads is much larger than this, so it would only increase the statistic.) http://www.bgr.com/2012/08/08/q2-2012-smartphone-market-share-idc/ http://www.bgr.com/2012/08/08/q2-2012-smartphone-market-shar... http://www.boston.com/business/technology/2012/08/29/worldwide-market-share-for-smartphones/JmyBJe5vkNmXtjCqBkqlFI/story.html http://www.boston.com/business/technology/2012/08/29/worldwi... http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/worldwide-market-share-for-smartphones-a-market-dominated-by-apple-and-android/2012/08/24/7d51fe0c-ee4a-11e1-b624-99dee49d8d67_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/worldwide-... Edit: I did learn something -- about AllThingsD. Which was the original source for your claim.
- npguy 14y ago
  Sure, Thanks for the links. How do these websites define market share? it must be market share by revenue, right? my original comment was based on units -> then revenue -> then profits.
  - ZeroGravitas 14y ago
    No, they use units. Your 6% figure is clearly wrong (or 4 years out of date). For some reason Apple blogs regularly switch between smartphone and mobile phone numbers and get themselves and their readership mixed up. I don't know why, Apple's success in the smartphone market alone is impressive enough, but they seem to like to convince themselves that Samsung isn't making any money from Android smartphones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Wide_Smartphone_Sales_Share.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Wide_Smartphone_Sale...
- Steko 14y ago
  Save the lectures imho, the source of the quote was a analyst cited by All Things D, hardly a random webpage. Also 43% of "industry revenue" not smartphone/tablet revenue. Try not to confuse people with tangents and red herrings.
  - berntb 14y ago
    >>43% of "industry revenue" not smartphone/tablet revenue. You're not touching the "6%" number, which was what I showed wrong? In what you comments on... Edit: Removed discussion of the revenue percentage, which wasn't so obviously wrong (I only questioned it in relation to the market share.)
    - Steko 14y ago
      Well you cited a different number, not the same as showing it was wrong. For the record I think your number is closer to right and I'm inclined to believe what's really meant was 6% of all phones but it could be a different definition on what constitutes a smartphone and/or the lower end of a broad range.
      - berntb 14y ago
        >>you cited a different number Sigh, it is not my number -- it is Washington Post's number (and the remaining top hits on Google). And if you're not familiar with the US news market and Washington Post [Edit: Removed wikipedia link since ZeroGravitas wrote a better one in a parallel comment.] Now, go troll someone else. Preferably not on HN.
        slurgfest 14y ago
        The severity of your tone (go troll someone else, etc.) seems disproportionate... whether it is accurate or inaccurate, you seem to be actually offended by the 6% figure, yet looking over the thread I don't see anyone getting particularly personal with you, just discussing a topic.