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We keep winning don’t we? The winning doesn’t stop

by AIorNot 1y ago

stronglikedan 1y ago
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- someothherguyy 1y ago
  whats the destination?
  - mingus88 1y ago
    Project 2025 lays it all out.
  - lanstin 1y ago
    Where truth is treated with scorn, scientists and other geeky professions have to scurry into the shadowy corners; where the wealthy rule over the rest due to the confusion of wealth with virtue and truth; where the best instincts of humanity, for curiosity, exploration, compassion, and rationality are mocked and cruelty, disdain for intelligence, disdain really for anyone not like the cookie cutter mainstream really, are lifted up at the cost of all groups that can't or won't fit in.
    - bananalychee 1y ago
      Very dramatic, but funding scientific studies is no antidote to groupthink, authoritarianism, and cruelty towards the non-conforming, in case you missed the last 5 years. There's a pretty clear causal chain between the abuse of public trust and social influence from educational and scientific institutions in the last decade or so and the anti-intellectualism we're witnessing today, abuse which was and is driven by the same hubris you demonstrate by conflating intellectualism with All That Is Good. And needless to say since I am posting on HN, but I say that as an intellectualist.
      - lanstin 1y ago
        You are blaming the cruelty of the homophobes and racists on the hubris of the smart people? Not blaming the victims exactly, but certainly not holding citizens responsible for their civic contributions.
  - jeltz 1y ago
    The destination is Putin's Russia where truth does not matter, oligarchs loot the country, opposition is only a token and the most of the country is poor and stagnating.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > whats the destination? The optimistic case is currently that China matures politically and becomes the leader of the technological world.
- haxiomic 1y ago
  Can you clarify? What does a better country look like after this transformation? Will they be doing more science or less? If they will be doing more science in this golden age, why would they need to give up their place as a leader in global science to get there?
  - jeltz 1y ago
    Pretty sure they are sarcastic.
    - e40 1y ago
      Doubtful based on their post history.
- micromacrofoot 1y ago
  We're hurtling toward the destination of scaring every single academic and researcher out of the country for the foreseeable future.
  - david38 1y ago
    Impossible. Even the Nazis had some academics.
    - micromacrofoot 1y ago
      Like the ones that put the US on the moon ;)
    - flkenosad 1y ago
      The Nazi's didn't have the internet to live stream their genocides.

We keep winning don’t we? The winning doesn’t stop

stronglikedan 1y ago

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someothherguyy 1y ago
whats the destination?
- mingus88 1y ago
  Project 2025 lays it all out.
- lanstin 1y ago
  Where truth is treated with scorn, scientists and other geeky professions have to scurry into the shadowy corners; where the wealthy rule over the rest due to the confusion of wealth with virtue and truth; where the best instincts of humanity, for curiosity, exploration, compassion, and rationality are mocked and cruelty, disdain for intelligence, disdain really for anyone not like the cookie cutter mainstream really, are lifted up at the cost of all groups that can't or won't fit in.
  - bananalychee 1y ago
    Very dramatic, but funding scientific studies is no antidote to groupthink, authoritarianism, and cruelty towards the non-conforming, in case you missed the last 5 years. There's a pretty clear causal chain between the abuse of public trust and social influence from educational and scientific institutions in the last decade or so and the anti-intellectualism we're witnessing today, abuse which was and is driven by the same hubris you demonstrate by conflating intellectualism with All That Is Good. And needless to say since I am posting on HN, but I say that as an intellectualist.
    - lanstin 1y ago
      You are blaming the cruelty of the homophobes and racists on the hubris of the smart people? Not blaming the victims exactly, but certainly not holding citizens responsible for their civic contributions.
- jeltz 1y ago
  The destination is Putin's Russia where truth does not matter, oligarchs loot the country, opposition is only a token and the most of the country is poor and stagnating.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > whats the destination? The optimistic case is currently that China matures politically and becomes the leader of the technological world.
haxiomic 1y ago
Can you clarify? What does a better country look like after this transformation? Will they be doing more science or less? If they will be doing more science in this golden age, why would they need to give up their place as a leader in global science to get there?
- jeltz 1y ago
  Pretty sure they are sarcastic.
  - e40 1y ago
    Doubtful based on their post history.
micromacrofoot 1y ago
We're hurtling toward the destination of scaring every single academic and researcher out of the country for the foreseeable future.
- david38 1y ago
  Impossible. Even the Nazis had some academics.
  - micromacrofoot 1y ago
    Like the ones that put the US on the moon ;)
  - flkenosad 1y ago
    The Nazi's didn't have the internet to live stream their genocides.