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Note that this isn't too long after Apple abandoned efforts to bring ZFS into Mac OS X as a potential default filesystem. Patents were probably a good reason, g

by wpm 1y ago

Note that this isn't too long after Apple abandoned efforts to bring ZFS into Mac OS X as a potential default filesystem. Patents were probably a good reason, given the Oracle buyout of Sun, but also a bit of "skating to where the puck will be" and realizing that the spinning rust ZFS was built for probably wasn't going to be in their computers for much longer.

GeekyBear 1y ago
When Apple announced the creation of APFS they mentioned that their intent was to handle data integrity at the hardware level.
- throw0101c 1y ago
  See: > Apple File System uses checksums to ensure data integrity for metadata but not for the actual user data, relying instead on error-correcting code (ECC) mechanisms in the storage hardware.[18] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_File_System#Data_integrity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_File_System#Data_integri...
kjkjadksj 1y ago
More evidence they thought hdds were on their way out was the unibody macbook keynote. They made a big deal about how the user can access their hdd from the latch on the bottom without any tools as they said ssd was on the horizon.
throw0101c 1y ago
> Patents were probably a good reason, given the Oracle buyout of Sun There is no reason to speculate as the reason is know (as stated by Jeff Bonwick, one of the co-inventors of ZFS): >> Apple can currently just take the ZFS CDDL code and incorporate it (like they did with DTrace), but it may be that they wanted a "private license" from Sun (with appropriate technical support and indemnification), and the two entities couldn't come to mutually agreeable terms. > I cannot disclose details, but that is the essence of it. * https://archive.is/http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2009-October/033125.html https://archive.is/http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs... * https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2009-October/033125.html https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://mail.opensolaris.org/pi...
- dylan604 1y ago
  How is it known when the quote you gave says "may be" which implies it's not known and is speculation on their part as well?
  - duskwuff 1y ago
    The reply to the "it may be..." message is from a @sun.com email address, and confirms "that is the essence of it". Fixed links for the message and reply: https://web.archive.org/web/20091028/http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2009-October/033112.html https://web.archive.org/web/20091028/http://mail.opensolaris... https://web.archive.org/web/20091028/http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2009-October/033125.html https://web.archive.org/web/20091028/http://mail.opensolaris...
  - throw0101c 1y ago
    "I cannot disclose details, but that is the essence of it." — Jeff Bonwick of Sun, co-inventor of ZFS

by wpm 1y ago

GeekyBear 1y ago

When Apple announced the creation of APFS they mentioned that their intent was to handle data integrity at the hardware level.

throw0101c 1y ago
See: > Apple File System uses checksums to ensure data integrity for metadata but not for the actual user data, relying instead on error-correcting code (ECC) mechanisms in the storage hardware.[18] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_File_System#Data_integrity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_File_System#Data_integri...

kjkjadksj 1y ago

More evidence they thought hdds were on their way out was the unibody macbook keynote. They made a big deal about how the user can access their hdd from the latch on the bottom without any tools as they said ssd was on the horizon.

throw0101c 1y ago

> Patents were probably a good reason, given the Oracle buyout of Sun There is no reason to speculate as the reason is know (as stated by Jeff Bonwick, one of the co-inventors of ZFS): >> Apple can currently just take the ZFS CDDL code and incorporate it (like they did with DTrace), but it may be that they wanted a "private license" from Sun (with appropriate technical support and indemnification), and the two entities couldn't come to mutually agreeable terms. > I cannot disclose details, but that is the essence of it. * https://archive.is/http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2009-October/033125.html https://archive.is/http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs... * https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2009-October/033125.html https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://mail.opensolaris.org/pi...

dylan604 1y ago
How is it known when the quote you gave says "may be" which implies it's not known and is speculation on their part as well?
- duskwuff 1y ago
  The reply to the "it may be..." message is from a @sun.com email address, and confirms "that is the essence of it". Fixed links for the message and reply: https://web.archive.org/web/20091028/http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2009-October/033112.html https://web.archive.org/web/20091028/http://mail.opensolaris... https://web.archive.org/web/20091028/http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2009-October/033125.html https://web.archive.org/web/20091028/http://mail.opensolaris...
- throw0101c 1y ago
  "I cannot disclose details, but that is the essence of it." — Jeff Bonwick of Sun, co-inventor of ZFS