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I would recommend Refuge Recovery over AA any day. It's still buddhist inspired but it doesn't ask you to believe in a deity and basically just sticks to princi

by 93po 1y ago

I would recommend Refuge Recovery over AA any day. It's still buddhist inspired but it doesn't ask you to believe in a deity and basically just sticks to principles of buddhism like "be nice, be compassionate, to both yourself and others"

graemep 1y ago
> to principles of buddhism like "be nice, be compassionate, to both yourself and others" Principles shared with most religions and most non-religious people are hardly a mrk of Buddhism. Buddhism is not a theistic religion, but it still requires a lot of religious beliefs (reincarnation, enlightenment, nirvana) and a lot of concepts such as detachment. There is a BIG difference between "not monotheistic" and "not religious".
- 93po 1y ago
  There is an extremely wide spectrum of how buddhism is practiced and I'd argue most ways are "wrong" and violate things the buddha very specifically said not to do (e.g. don't worship him). There are no "requirements" in buddhism. there is no hell for you to go to if you do it "wrong". take from it what you want and leave the rest behind.
  - graemep 1y ago
    > here is no hell for you to go to if you do it "wrong" My understanding is that the present life and the cycle of reincarnation is what Buddhists seek release from in nirvana. There is a hell, we are just in it. I hardly need say that "going" to hell is misleading as its not a place, and many other religions do not believe in it (.e.g. Christian universalists). > take from it what you want and leave the rest behind. At some point you take so little its not the same religion anymore.
    - 93po 1y ago
      > At some point you take so little its not the same religion anymore. sure but the point is to take what works to stop drinking, not to able to accurately call yourself a buddhist
- 1attice 1y ago
  It depends a lot on the variant of Buddhism. There are plenty of us who do not believe in those things. In particular, we see rebirth as a way of framing what Rawls called the Veil of Ignorance
moffkalast 1y ago
Self compassion is a major part of any kind of recovery really, life is really dark when you hate yourself for being who you are.

by 93po 1y ago

graemep 1y ago

> to principles of buddhism like "be nice, be compassionate, to both yourself and others" Principles shared with most religions and most non-religious people are hardly a mrk of Buddhism. Buddhism is not a theistic religion, but it still requires a lot of religious beliefs (reincarnation, enlightenment, nirvana) and a lot of concepts such as detachment. There is a BIG difference between "not monotheistic" and "not religious".

93po 1y ago
There is an extremely wide spectrum of how buddhism is practiced and I'd argue most ways are "wrong" and violate things the buddha very specifically said not to do (e.g. don't worship him). There are no "requirements" in buddhism. there is no hell for you to go to if you do it "wrong". take from it what you want and leave the rest behind.
- graemep 1y ago
  > here is no hell for you to go to if you do it "wrong" My understanding is that the present life and the cycle of reincarnation is what Buddhists seek release from in nirvana. There is a hell, we are just in it. I hardly need say that "going" to hell is misleading as its not a place, and many other religions do not believe in it (.e.g. Christian universalists). > take from it what you want and leave the rest behind. At some point you take so little its not the same religion anymore.
  - 93po 1y ago
    > At some point you take so little its not the same religion anymore. sure but the point is to take what works to stop drinking, not to able to accurately call yourself a buddhist
1attice 1y ago
It depends a lot on the variant of Buddhism. There are plenty of us who do not believe in those things. In particular, we see rebirth as a way of framing what Rawls called the Veil of Ignorance

moffkalast 1y ago

Self compassion is a major part of any kind of recovery really, life is really dark when you hate yourself for being who you are.