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In civilized countries? Get support from Doctors, licensed psychologist and addiction counselors. In less civilized countries? Die.

Aurornis 1y ago
> In civilized countries? Get support from Doctors, licensed psychologist and addiction counselors All of these are available and common in the US. 12-step programs and AA are available in many countries outside of the US.
- IlikeKitties 1y ago
  There wouldn't be any evidence that these groups, specifically AA have embedded themselves into the government and law system of the united states in particular and have used their influence to force non-religious people to join their little cult meetings, right? It's all optional of course! Anyway, here's a list of court cases/news articles where it wasn't: https://www.courthousenews.com/atheist-fights-court-ordered-alcoholics-anonymous-treatment/ https://www.courthousenews.com/atheist-fights-court-ordered-... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/08/alcoholics-anonymous-canada-religion-secular-groups-aa https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/08/alcoholics-ano... https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/1995/jul/15/aa-probation-requirement-illegal-for-atheist/ https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/1995/jul/15/aa-probatio... https://aaagnostica.org/2014/10/17/atheist-punished-for-rejecting-12-step-program-gets-2-million/ https://aaagnostica.org/2014/10/17/atheist-punished-for-reje... I'm sure you can find 20 more easily. Glad i'm not american.
  - genewitch 1y ago
    you really got an axe to grind, huh?
  - stronglikedan 1y ago
    > specifically AA have embedded themselves into the government and law system of the united states in particular You could literally say the same about any special interest group in any country. > Glad i'm not american. Me too, but the difference is that you don't see me thinking I know anything about UK politics or special interest groups. I'd even wager that you've never even set foot in a meeting in an attempt to alleviate your naivety.
    - IlikeKitties 1y ago
      > I'd even wager that you've never even set foot in a meeting in an attempt to alleviate your naivety. I don't need to join a meeting to criticize what the organization setting up that meetings is widely publicizing as a treatment for a medical condition (addiction) when what they publicize is obvious religious nonsense. I also don't join spirit healing conventions for cancer patients or homeopathic sales events to criticize those.
cturner 1y ago
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about Christianity, and that's your right. But in the course of that you may overlook that faith-based treatment of problems is a powerful tool that serves some people well. Consider the culture of people taking a break from alcohol over Lent for several weeks each year.

Aurornis 1y ago

> In civilized countries? Get support from Doctors, licensed psychologist and addiction counselors All of these are available and common in the US. 12-step programs and AA are available in many countries outside of the US.

IlikeKitties 1y ago
There wouldn't be any evidence that these groups, specifically AA have embedded themselves into the government and law system of the united states in particular and have used their influence to force non-religious people to join their little cult meetings, right? It's all optional of course! Anyway, here's a list of court cases/news articles where it wasn't: https://www.courthousenews.com/atheist-fights-court-ordered-alcoholics-anonymous-treatment/ https://www.courthousenews.com/atheist-fights-court-ordered-... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/08/alcoholics-anonymous-canada-religion-secular-groups-aa https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/08/alcoholics-ano... https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/1995/jul/15/aa-probation-requirement-illegal-for-atheist/ https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/1995/jul/15/aa-probatio... https://aaagnostica.org/2014/10/17/atheist-punished-for-rejecting-12-step-program-gets-2-million/ https://aaagnostica.org/2014/10/17/atheist-punished-for-reje... I'm sure you can find 20 more easily. Glad i'm not american.
- genewitch 1y ago
  you really got an axe to grind, huh?
- stronglikedan 1y ago
  > specifically AA have embedded themselves into the government and law system of the united states in particular You could literally say the same about any special interest group in any country. > Glad i'm not american. Me too, but the difference is that you don't see me thinking I know anything about UK politics or special interest groups. I'd even wager that you've never even set foot in a meeting in an attempt to alleviate your naivety.
  - IlikeKitties 1y ago
    > I'd even wager that you've never even set foot in a meeting in an attempt to alleviate your naivety. I don't need to join a meeting to criticize what the organization setting up that meetings is widely publicizing as a treatment for a medical condition (addiction) when what they publicize is obvious religious nonsense. I also don't join spirit healing conventions for cancer patients or homeopathic sales events to criticize those.

cturner 1y ago

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about Christianity, and that's your right. But in the course of that you may overlook that faith-based treatment of problems is a powerful tool that serves some people well. Consider the culture of people taking a break from alcohol over Lent for several weeks each year.