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No, Palestinians are citizens, simply second class ones with less rights and more duties. It would be like if you were born in a "democracy" but weren't given s

No, Palestinians are citizens, simply second class ones with less rights and more duties. It would be like if you were born in a "democracy" but weren't given some rights because of who you were born to. It's obviously very different from being a tourist in another country.

reliabilityguy 1y ago
> No, Palestinians are citizens, They are not though. They are citizens of PA, where they vote and pay taxes. Israeli Arabs get full citizenship like any other ethnic/religious minority in Israel.
- thrance 1y ago
  Israel does not recognize the Palestinian state, ergo all Palestinians are considered permanent residents of Israel, but not given any right, which is the issue.
  - reliabilityguy 1y ago
    > Israel does not recognize the Palestinian state Israel does recognize Palestinian Authority. > ergo all Palestinians are considered permanent residents of Israel Palestinians are not permanent citizens of Israel. And they are not considered ones. Why do you invent things that are easily verifiable online? > but not given any right, which is the issue. They have all their rights within Palestinian Authority! The issue is that Oslo accord were not finalized and military occupation never ended.
    - Y_Y 1y ago
      > > ergo all Palestinians are considered permanent residents of Israel > Palestinians are not permanent citizens of Israel. And they are not considered ones. > Why do you invent things that are easily verifiable online? The distinction between citizen and resident is a sharp and significant one in many jurisdictions!
Y_Y 1y ago
Citizens of Israel, under Israeli law? Some are, but most are not. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel ) They're certainly humans worthy of rights and dignity, citizens of the world, and most are citizens of the (partially recognised, limited authority) Palestinian state. But I think it's clear what we are talking about, that the Israeli state is "democratic" in the sense that it has a conventional (if unfair) idea of who its population/demos is, and those are the people eligible to vote for the representatives at the State level. The situation you describe actually did happen to me, and many others in states without jus soli which are nonetheless widely considered democratic. This is typical in Western Europe, for example.

reliabilityguy 1y ago

> No, Palestinians are citizens, They are not though. They are citizens of PA, where they vote and pay taxes. Israeli Arabs get full citizenship like any other ethnic/religious minority in Israel.

thrance 1y ago
Israel does not recognize the Palestinian state, ergo all Palestinians are considered permanent residents of Israel, but not given any right, which is the issue.
- reliabilityguy 1y ago
  > Israel does not recognize the Palestinian state Israel does recognize Palestinian Authority. > ergo all Palestinians are considered permanent residents of Israel Palestinians are not permanent citizens of Israel. And they are not considered ones. Why do you invent things that are easily verifiable online? > but not given any right, which is the issue. They have all their rights within Palestinian Authority! The issue is that Oslo accord were not finalized and military occupation never ended.
  - Y_Y 1y ago
    > > ergo all Palestinians are considered permanent residents of Israel > Palestinians are not permanent citizens of Israel. And they are not considered ones. > Why do you invent things that are easily verifiable online? The distinction between citizen and resident is a sharp and significant one in many jurisdictions!

Y_Y 1y ago

Citizens of Israel, under Israeli law? Some are, but most are not. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel ) They're certainly humans worthy of rights and dignity, citizens of the world, and most are citizens of the (partially recognised, limited authority) Palestinian state. But I think it's clear what we are talking about, that the Israeli state is "democratic" in the sense that it has a conventional (if unfair) idea of who its population/demos is, and those are the people eligible to vote for the representatives at the State level. The situation you describe actually did happen to me, and many others in states without jus soli which are nonetheless widely considered democratic. This is typical in Western Europe, for example.