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I am old enough to remember how hard it was to find access to adult mags. I understand that they want to make it harder for kids to access the flood of materia

by sixtyj 1y ago

I am old enough to remember how hard it was to find access to adult mags. I understand that they want to make it harder for kids to access the flood of material that will destroy their brains before they even realize it. Unlimited access to materials not intended and understandable by evolving kids’ brains is not really good. BBC Channel 4 had a documentary in which a psychologist described 16-year-old boys with erectile dysfunction coming into his counselling room. Of course, it depends on how to do it technically, face id is maybe unnecessarily too much... and also the question is whether we want to pass more data to the FAANG giants… Edit: Ok, not hard…But access was not instant and ubiquitous as it is now. IMHO that makes the difference.

logicchains 1y ago
>I understand that they want to make it harder for kids to access the flood of material that will destroy their brains before they even realize it. This is hyperbolic crap. Since at least the 70s boys have been growing up with access to adult images and it hasn't "destroyed their brains". Certainly a minority of people have a problem with porn addiction, but even completely banning porn access to teens would just delay this a few years, at the expense of completely destroying internet anonymity.
- globular-toast 1y ago
  Ubiquitous high-definition internet porn is completely different from what was available in the 90s, let alone the 70s. What you're saying sounds like "people have been burning herbs for hundreds of years, there's no way cigarettes could be harmful!"
- tzs 1y ago
  > This is hyperbolic crap. Since at least the 70s boys have been growing up with access to adult images and it hasn't "destroyed their brains". In the '70s for most boys that meant finding an occasional issue of one of the adult magazines that was available at regular magazine shops. Mostly Playboy and Penthouse, maybe Hustler if you got lucky. Those are all very tame compared to what is now readily available for free on the net today.
heavyset_go 1y ago
> I am old enough to remember how hard it was to find access to adult mags. It wasn't difficult to find, it was just in your parents' or siblings' drawers, or your friends had it, or you or someone else had Pay-per-view TV or one of the soft core channels, or you or someone had illegal cable/sattelite, or it was just out in the woods[1] for whatever reason. No one's minds melted from that. If access to content is so unhealthy for anyone, then policy should address that. For example, sites should throttle or cut heavy users off. Giving 3D models of our faces + our IDs/passports online just for some government contractor to lose them is a solution looking for a problem that it does not solve well. Funnily enough, I was going through my grandfather's possessions from when he was a kid and found what can be described as cartoon adult content in with his comic books. This was shit from literally 100 years ago, and yet that generation turned out alright by most standards. [1] https://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_inexplicably_ubiquitous_phenomenon_of_woods_porn/ https://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_inexplicably_ubiquit...
- Exoristos 1y ago
  I never encountered any of the things you list, growing up, and would have been shocked if I had. There's a tendency to overgeneralize a culture based on one's own subculture -- or perhaps you're even assuming things after watching too many '80s movies.
  - heavyset_go 1y ago
    I am speaking from experience. I don't know anyone growing up who didn't have a friend share a Playboy with them, see risque things on TV, or when dial up was a thing, did not use the Internet to search for "boobs".
- philipallstar 1y ago
  > If access to content is so unhealthy for anyone, then policy should address that Kids aren't the same as adults. It's like saying "no one should drive/smoke/drink because kids aren't allowed to". > cartoon adult content in with his comic books. This was shit from literally 100 years ago, and yet that generation turned out alright by most standards You can't be comparing, surely? A drawn picture of breasts compared to the most hardcore and (almost always female) degrading stuff imaginable in 4k?
huijzer 1y ago
> BBC Channel 4 had a documentary in which a psychologist described 16-year-old boys with erectile dysfunction coming into his counselling room. I think that must be another medical condition or the boy lied, but we’ve all been 16 here and seriously those problems are extremely unlikely. If there is one problem that 16 year old boys have it is a too active sex drive.
- lnsru 1y ago
  No. We all have been 16 in different world. Now pornography starts at 10 using classmate’s cellphone.
  - hilbert42 1y ago
    "Now pornography starts at 10 using classmate’s cellphone." I went to Australian schools. For comparison I'm old enough to remember when a brand of bubble gum came with cards that had photographs of famous female film stars on them. Whenever we boys got duplicate photos we'd swap them with one another (it was pot luck, until we unwrapped the gum we couldn't see the photo). I recall an incident in the classroom where we were surreptitiously swapping cards whilst the teacher was writing on the blackboard and had her back to us and she suddenly turned around and caught us. She walked up one of the aisles towards the back of the class where we were and confiscated every last one of the cards. When she'd finished she turned to us and said in a loud, biting and accusative voice for the whole class to hear "You are all filthy-minded boys and you should be fully ashamed of yourselves". Of the class only about four or five of us were involved and the school was coed, so half the class was girls (they sat on one side of the classroom we boys on the other). These cards were only film studio PR photos so whilst the women looked well presented and pretty there was nothing whatsoever sordid or salacious about them. We were between 12 and 13 years of age at the time. For a boy of that age these film star cards were the sexiest thing we could lay our hands on. There were no adult sex shops or under-the-counter mags wrapped in cellophane so one couldn't see before one bought—they came at least a decade later. Pornography of all sorts was illegal no matter one's age.
    - lnsru 1y ago
greatgib 1y ago
In the last 30 years it never was difficult. I remember very well that as a kid it was easy to buy them from kiosks despite being far from old enough. Otherwise there was books, movies on tv, things circulating at school like materials from parents found and stolen by kids... And let's not even forget that maybe 50 to 100 years ago, "kids" could more commonly be married and have kids under this arbitrary limit of 18 years old and that did not make them crazier adults than what we have now. At that time, 20 was easily already mid life. Still take care to not compare with countries of today were kids are still able to marry young. These are usually retarded countries were kids are clearly forced and abused to do that.

by sixtyj 1y ago

logicchains 1y ago

>I understand that they want to make it harder for kids to access the flood of material that will destroy their brains before they even realize it. This is hyperbolic crap. Since at least the 70s boys have been growing up with access to adult images and it hasn't "destroyed their brains". Certainly a minority of people have a problem with porn addiction, but even completely banning porn access to teens would just delay this a few years, at the expense of completely destroying internet anonymity.

globular-toast 1y ago
Ubiquitous high-definition internet porn is completely different from what was available in the 90s, let alone the 70s. What you're saying sounds like "people have been burning herbs for hundreds of years, there's no way cigarettes could be harmful!"
tzs 1y ago
> This is hyperbolic crap. Since at least the 70s boys have been growing up with access to adult images and it hasn't "destroyed their brains". In the '70s for most boys that meant finding an occasional issue of one of the adult magazines that was available at regular magazine shops. Mostly Playboy and Penthouse, maybe Hustler if you got lucky. Those are all very tame compared to what is now readily available for free on the net today.

heavyset_go 1y ago

> I am old enough to remember how hard it was to find access to adult mags. It wasn't difficult to find, it was just in your parents' or siblings' drawers, or your friends had it, or you or someone else had Pay-per-view TV or one of the soft core channels, or you or someone had illegal cable/sattelite, or it was just out in the woods[1] for whatever reason. No one's minds melted from that. If access to content is so unhealthy for anyone, then policy should address that. For example, sites should throttle or cut heavy users off. Giving 3D models of our faces + our IDs/passports online just for some government contractor to lose them is a solution looking for a problem that it does not solve well. Funnily enough, I was going through my grandfather's possessions from when he was a kid and found what can be described as cartoon adult content in with his comic books. This was shit from literally 100 years ago, and yet that generation turned out alright by most standards. [1] https://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_inexplicably_ubiquitous_phenomenon_of_woods_porn/ https://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_inexplicably_ubiquit...

Exoristos 1y ago
I never encountered any of the things you list, growing up, and would have been shocked if I had. There's a tendency to overgeneralize a culture based on one's own subculture -- or perhaps you're even assuming things after watching too many '80s movies.
- heavyset_go 1y ago
  I am speaking from experience. I don't know anyone growing up who didn't have a friend share a Playboy with them, see risque things on TV, or when dial up was a thing, did not use the Internet to search for "boobs".
philipallstar 1y ago
> If access to content is so unhealthy for anyone, then policy should address that Kids aren't the same as adults. It's like saying "no one should drive/smoke/drink because kids aren't allowed to". > cartoon adult content in with his comic books. This was shit from literally 100 years ago, and yet that generation turned out alright by most standards You can't be comparing, surely? A drawn picture of breasts compared to the most hardcore and (almost always female) degrading stuff imaginable in 4k?

huijzer 1y ago

> BBC Channel 4 had a documentary in which a psychologist described 16-year-old boys with erectile dysfunction coming into his counselling room. I think that must be another medical condition or the boy lied, but we’ve all been 16 here and seriously those problems are extremely unlikely. If there is one problem that 16 year old boys have it is a too active sex drive.

lnsru 1y ago
No. We all have been 16 in different world. Now pornography starts at 10 using classmate’s cellphone.
- hilbert42 1y ago
  "Now pornography starts at 10 using classmate’s cellphone." I went to Australian schools. For comparison I'm old enough to remember when a brand of bubble gum came with cards that had photographs of famous female film stars on them. Whenever we boys got duplicate photos we'd swap them with one another (it was pot luck, until we unwrapped the gum we couldn't see the photo). I recall an incident in the classroom where we were surreptitiously swapping cards whilst the teacher was writing on the blackboard and had her back to us and she suddenly turned around and caught us. She walked up one of the aisles towards the back of the class where we were and confiscated every last one of the cards. When she'd finished she turned to us and said in a loud, biting and accusative voice for the whole class to hear "You are all filthy-minded boys and you should be fully ashamed of yourselves". Of the class only about four or five of us were involved and the school was coed, so half the class was girls (they sat on one side of the classroom we boys on the other). These cards were only film studio PR photos so whilst the women looked well presented and pretty there was nothing whatsoever sordid or salacious about them. We were between 12 and 13 years of age at the time. For a boy of that age these film star cards were the sexiest thing we could lay our hands on. There were no adult sex shops or under-the-counter mags wrapped in cellophane so one couldn't see before one bought—they came at least a decade later. Pornography of all sorts was illegal no matter one's age.
  - lnsru 1y ago

greatgib 1y ago

In the last 30 years it never was difficult. I remember very well that as a kid it was easy to buy them from kiosks despite being far from old enough. Otherwise there was books, movies on tv, things circulating at school like materials from parents found and stolen by kids... And let's not even forget that maybe 50 to 100 years ago, "kids" could more commonly be married and have kids under this arbitrary limit of 18 years old and that did not make them crazier adults than what we have now. At that time, 20 was easily already mid life. Still take care to not compare with countries of today were kids are still able to marry young. These are usually retarded countries were kids are clearly forced and abused to do that.