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Europeans were never going to allow Turkey to join

raincole 1y ago
It's sad that this comment is grey outed. Turkey doesn't even recognize Cyprus, an EU member. It will be braindead for Cyprus to not veto Turkey. Saying Turkey was "close" to join EU is a really long stretch.
- burnt-resistor 1y ago
  Yep. Lots of hurdles. Turkey needed to grow up in some ways and was closer to getting there 10-15 years ago, but it actually regressed in some ways under Erdoğan.
  - fakedang 1y ago
    In some ways? It regressed the whole nine yards. Won't be surprised if Turkey ends up as a basket case of a major economic crisis which will inadvertently lead to a major social crisis.
    - burnt-resistor 1y ago
      Trump says "Hold my beer!" This is a worldwide phenomenon of "too much" democracy (populism) vs. weak republics/administrative states/similar with increasing corruption plus manufactured consent to have more of it, funded by hamfisted billionaires.
- smcin 1y ago
  'greyed out'
burnt-resistor 1y ago
It's a confluence of multiple factors including Turkey didn't want to carry low performers in the Euro while it was booming, plus a lack of willingness to harmonize with European practices, laws, and standards. Maybe 5-10% of it was racism, but not necessarily a major factor.
- orochimaaru 1y ago
  Turkey's GDP per capita is a lot lower than that of the EU. A lot of the EU accession talks stalled around human rights and recognition of Cyprus which was an existing EU member. Of course Austria did not want them in - but unless fundamental changes were made with respect to the two things above accession talks would have stalled regardless. Turkey sits right at the access point between EU and all the Central Asian countries with a lot of oil. This made Turkey an "attractive" nation for the EU economically. Socially though they just are not there.
  - m00dy 1y ago
    Here’s the timeline: Turkey got stamped as an EU candidate at the Helsinki summit in December 1999, while the southern Cyprus didn’t hop into the Union until May 2004. That five-year gap tells you Cyprus couldn’t have been the first roadblock for Turkey’s talks; the island only became an issue once it was already inside the club. When Turkey finally sat down for formal accession talks in October 2005, the Cyprus dispute had wrapped itself around every single chapter, turning a one-on-one quarrel into a full-blown EU-level veto.

It's sad that this comment is grey outed. Turkey doesn't even recognize Cyprus, an EU member. It will be braindead for Cyprus to not veto Turkey. Saying Turkey was "close" to join EU is a really long stretch.

burnt-resistor 1y ago
Yep. Lots of hurdles. Turkey needed to grow up in some ways and was closer to getting there 10-15 years ago, but it actually regressed in some ways under Erdoğan.
- fakedang 1y ago
  In some ways? It regressed the whole nine yards. Won't be surprised if Turkey ends up as a basket case of a major economic crisis which will inadvertently lead to a major social crisis.
  - burnt-resistor 1y ago
    Trump says "Hold my beer!" This is a worldwide phenomenon of "too much" democracy (populism) vs. weak republics/administrative states/similar with increasing corruption plus manufactured consent to have more of it, funded by hamfisted billionaires.
smcin 1y ago
'greyed out'

burnt-resistor 1y ago

It's a confluence of multiple factors including Turkey didn't want to carry low performers in the Euro while it was booming, plus a lack of willingness to harmonize with European practices, laws, and standards. Maybe 5-10% of it was racism, but not necessarily a major factor.

orochimaaru 1y ago
Turkey's GDP per capita is a lot lower than that of the EU. A lot of the EU accession talks stalled around human rights and recognition of Cyprus which was an existing EU member. Of course Austria did not want them in - but unless fundamental changes were made with respect to the two things above accession talks would have stalled regardless. Turkey sits right at the access point between EU and all the Central Asian countries with a lot of oil. This made Turkey an "attractive" nation for the EU economically. Socially though they just are not there.
- m00dy 1y ago
  Here’s the timeline: Turkey got stamped as an EU candidate at the Helsinki summit in December 1999, while the southern Cyprus didn’t hop into the Union until May 2004. That five-year gap tells you Cyprus couldn’t have been the first roadblock for Turkey’s talks; the island only became an issue once it was already inside the club. When Turkey finally sat down for formal accession talks in October 2005, the Cyprus dispute had wrapped itself around every single chapter, turning a one-on-one quarrel into a full-blown EU-level veto.