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Keep going. I thought Anthropic’s CEO is the source of truth that AI based on his belief that it should avoid these topics. Musk has different opinions than Da

by itake 1y ago

Keep going. I thought Anthropic’s CEO is the source of truth that AI based on his belief that it should avoid these topics. Musk has different opinions than Dario, but they are both introducing biases into their respective companies

nerevarthelame 1y ago
Choosing not to answer - regardless of whether or not that was a rule mandated by the CEO (an unsourced and unlikely claim given the corporate structure of most large organizations) - is far different than insisting on an answer from whatever the CEO last decided to tweet. One is returning "null." The other is not. One says, "Figure that one out yourself." The other says, "Here is the truth."
- itake 1y ago
  neat, so how does this mesh with OpenAI (and deepseek) offering country-specific models? Why is it ok for OpenAI to do this, but everyone is up in arms when their competitor does?
  - nerevarthelame 1y ago
    I don't know what regionalization OpenAI or Deepseek do. But it makes sense that they would change some things because of different languages, cultures, and regulations. Most global businesses tailor products for different regions. People are up in arms that Grok is using their CEO's shitposting as a primary knowledge base because that is a low quality source of information.
    - itake 1y ago
      I think people in Indonesia would say the same about ChatGPT’s model being pro Christianity. If you ask ChatGPT, how many wives a husband should have, it says one which isn’t true for the majority of religious believers in the world. Specifically for deepseek there are “controversial” truths based on low quality sources information about certain historical events. I think people are just upset that a popular AI model doesn’t agree with them and I’m saying “look in the mirror”
      - spacechild1 1y ago
        Again, Grok is consulting Elon's recent Twitter posts as part of its reasoning. This is on a whole different level. It is a fact that Elon was personally unhappy with some of Grok's answers and tried to "fix" it, i.e. align it with his personal political views. This is just crazy narcissistic and megalomaniac behaviour.
        itake 1y ago
        > It is a fact that Elon was personally unhappy with some of Grok's answers and tried to "fix" it, i.e. align it with his personal political views. Cool! You can also replace "Elon" with "Sundar" as Google’s CEO openly pushed for more PoC and women in image search. Did you grab your pitch forks then? Or are you just upset when CEO's align AI away from your personal biases? or you a reflexive Musk opposer?
        spacechild1 1y ago
        These things are not remotely comparable. > or you a reflexive Musk opposer? Are you a reflexive Musk apologist?
        itake 1y ago
        No, I don't like Musk. I've never owned stock in any of his companies or purchased their products. I deleted my twitter account when he took over and block twitter on all my devices. Can you explain why they are not comparable? Both are CEOs tuned model's based on their personal beliefs. The only difference I think is you agree with one CEO's personal beliefs, but not the others.
        spacechild1 1y ago
        > Both are CEOs tuned model's based on their personal beliefs. That's not true. Google tried to counter an actual bias in its image generation (albeit with catostrophic results). Do you really think they did this only to align with Sundar's personal political beliefs? Give me a break. And if you don't see the absurdity of consulting the CEO's recent twitter feed as a source of reasoning (on topics where that person is certainly not an expert), I don't know what to say...

by itake 1y ago

nerevarthelame 1y ago

Choosing not to answer - regardless of whether or not that was a rule mandated by the CEO (an unsourced and unlikely claim given the corporate structure of most large organizations) - is far different than insisting on an answer from whatever the CEO last decided to tweet. One is returning "null." The other is not. One says, "Figure that one out yourself." The other says, "Here is the truth."

itake 1y ago
neat, so how does this mesh with OpenAI (and deepseek) offering country-specific models? Why is it ok for OpenAI to do this, but everyone is up in arms when their competitor does?
- nerevarthelame 1y ago
  I don't know what regionalization OpenAI or Deepseek do. But it makes sense that they would change some things because of different languages, cultures, and regulations. Most global businesses tailor products for different regions. People are up in arms that Grok is using their CEO's shitposting as a primary knowledge base because that is a low quality source of information.
  - itake 1y ago
    I think people in Indonesia would say the same about ChatGPT’s model being pro Christianity. If you ask ChatGPT, how many wives a husband should have, it says one which isn’t true for the majority of religious believers in the world. Specifically for deepseek there are “controversial” truths based on low quality sources information about certain historical events. I think people are just upset that a popular AI model doesn’t agree with them and I’m saying “look in the mirror”
    - spacechild1 1y ago
      Again, Grok is consulting Elon's recent Twitter posts as part of its reasoning. This is on a whole different level. It is a fact that Elon was personally unhappy with some of Grok's answers and tried to "fix" it, i.e. align it with his personal political views. This is just crazy narcissistic and megalomaniac behaviour.
      - itake 1y ago
        > It is a fact that Elon was personally unhappy with some of Grok's answers and tried to "fix" it, i.e. align it with his personal political views. Cool! You can also replace "Elon" with "Sundar" as Google’s CEO openly pushed for more PoC and women in image search. Did you grab your pitch forks then? Or are you just upset when CEO's align AI away from your personal biases? or you a reflexive Musk opposer?
        spacechild1 1y ago
        These things are not remotely comparable. > or you a reflexive Musk opposer? Are you a reflexive Musk apologist?
        itake 1y ago
        No, I don't like Musk. I've never owned stock in any of his companies or purchased their products. I deleted my twitter account when he took over and block twitter on all my devices. Can you explain why they are not comparable? Both are CEOs tuned model's based on their personal beliefs. The only difference I think is you agree with one CEO's personal beliefs, but not the others.
        spacechild1 1y ago
        > Both are CEOs tuned model's based on their personal beliefs. That's not true. Google tried to counter an actual bias in its image generation (albeit with catostrophic results). Do you really think they did this only to align with Sundar's personal political beliefs? Give me a break. And if you don't see the absurdity of consulting the CEO's recent twitter feed as a source of reasoning (on topics where that person is certainly not an expert), I don't know what to say...