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I spent considerable time in the U.S. on a J visa, so did my partner. We both agree that we would have not chosen to visit under the current visa regime, and I
by rcbdev 1y ago
I spent considerable time in the U.S. on a J visa, so did my partner.
We both agree that we would have not chosen to visit under the current visa regime, and I assume many others agree with our sentiment.
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- MinimalAction 1y agoUniversities in the US are currently advising students (F or J visa) to not travel out of US to avoid potential challenges at the port of re-entry.
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- Macha 1y agoThough the reason they are top universities is partly their ability to attract top talent (as most of these top university measures are based on things like "number of papers published"), which this is going to impact.
- hoegarden 1y agoThe American rags will publish the same number of articles which all need to cite from earlier rags, and they will probably keep or increase biases toward more American authors, so no one will notice when the US is irrelevant by a quantitative analysis.
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- malcolmgreaves 1y agoIt won't.
- lp251 1y agoshame they won't be as good
- philosophty 1y agoGiven how easy it is for rich people to buy grades for their children in most countries, we might see an improvement.
- martin-t 1y agoPeople won't like how you said it but there is truth to it. Pretty much all students from my uni who went on exchanges to the US said the level over there is much lower and they were way above the local students. This was not the case elsewhere, most notably in Asian countries. There is some truth to every stereotype.
- mbesto 1y agoWeird... "No American grads on Meta’s top AI team, all 11 hires are immigrants"[0] [0] - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/latest-updates/no-american-grads-on-metas-top-ai-team-all-11-hires-are-immigrants/articleshow/122247213.cms?from=mdr https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/latest-updates/no-a...
- mapt 1y agoRight now there's a lot of "In-state tuition: $10,000 Out-of-state tuition: $25,000 International student tuition: $50,000". going on. Being the world's academy is one of our most overlooked, but most significant industries. Eliminate the moneymakers trying to escape the Gaokao and the cash has to come from somewhere; It certainly isn't going to be this administration.
- philosophty 1y agoThere are a limited number of seats at the best universities. These top universities already have enough money to operate for a century as non-profits. They're selling 15-20% of the seats to international rich people. The appropriate number is probably more like 1.5% - 2.0%, with the rest going to American citizens.
- verst 1y agoI'll provide an alternative narrative: Additional seats at a significant premium are created for international students to allow subsidizing tuition for domestic students and offering of additional services on campus, research positions etc If you get rid of international students then domestic student tuition will increase and/or campus services offered will decline. Universities do not want to decrease their endowment. They want to find ways to grow it. And another goal is to increase the international reputation of their institutions. Here international students act like a kind of missionary.
- philosophty 1y agoThis narrative describes public companies focused on growth and brand instead of schools focused on offering the best education possible in their country. They have lost their way. They have been corrupted by bribes heaped upon them by rich international people buying their children advantage.
- BeetleB 1y ago> There are a limited number of seats at the best universities. This is only true for a few elite universities. In particular, for public universities, the vast majority, including many/most of the top ones, do not have any cap on the amount of incoming students. Whoever meets the bar gets in.
- verst 1y agoAren't those spots for international students often created because international students pay the full (or even more than full) cost, thereby subsidizing other operations at the university. Sometimes international students pay more than out of stage students too. Depending on the financial model, eliminating spots for international students may in fact have the adverse affect of also eliminating spots for domestic students.
- duxup 1y agoUnfortunately that's the goal. Your call and I respect that, but the current administration doesn't care, they want folks who they determine have the wrong point of view out. It's not just international students either, in their demand to Harvard the Trump administration demanded Harvard hire an outside group to survey Harvard staff and STUDENTS for "viewpoint diversity" and if they felt the diversity wasn't what the administration wanted, adjust staff and students to fit their view.
- consumer451 1y agoFederal anti-wrongthink enforcement. Everything they accused the other political side of doing, but 100x, and actually occurring in reality. Am I off-base here, or is this exactly what is happening?
- ThunderBee 1y agoThis is basically what’s happening. The left opened the doors of academic and internet censorship and the right went ‘two can play that game!’ And kicked it wide open.
- consumer451 1y ago> The left opened the doors of academic and internet censorship This was almost entirely an astroturfed campaign, which very effectively worked to whip people up into believing that they were being censored. Whenever it came up in the last few years in online conversations, I would ask "OK, so what are you being censored from saying?" Dozens, maybe a hundred times, of me asking that question, and it was nearly always crickets in response. What is the evidence of "the left" censoring academia? Whenever I dig into that, it's sloppy science, fringe theories, or straight up crackpots who couldn't get published in a journal, who then found popularity on youtube and podcasts doing the "I am being censored by Big Science" grift. If anyone would care to educate me on this, with evidence, I am here for it.
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