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Is MariaDB included in MySQL? I see no mention of it in the post, but MySQL trending downwards would make sense as people upgrade and switch over. Besides of co

by Aachen 1y ago

Is MariaDB included in MySQL? I see no mention of it in the post, but MySQL trending downwards would make sense as people upgrade and switch over. Besides of course novelty wearing off as posited for all engines further down the post

evanelias 1y ago
> Is MariaDB included in MySQL? I was wondering the same, but I'm not sure if it would make a major change in the graphs. MySQL and MariaDB have both been unpopular on Hacker News for many years. Submissions on either topic rarely get much traction, which then leads to fewer submissions. > MySQL trending downwards would make sense as people upgrade and switch over. No, most large MySQL users are still using MySQL; there hasn't been a widespread migration to MariaDB. They're both actively developed and have grown in slightly different directions. Among corporations, MySQL's usage still far outstrips MariaDB by a significant degree. Lately MariaDB has better product velocity though, and their commercial enterprise finally seems to have stable footing.
- Aachen 1y ago
  > there hasn't been a widespread migration to MariaDB I don't think I even knew I was running MariaDB at first, or perhaps more as a side note that I saw it dropping in mariadb when I apt installed mysql. If you upgraded Debian some time ago, I'm pretty certain you were automatically migrated, so anyone running that (or, presumably, one of the derivatives like Ubuntu) would have migrated knowingly or unknowingly, hence my assumption
  - evanelias 1y ago
    Sure, it's a common point of confusion specifically because a few major Linux distros did that. But SREs / DBAs / DBREs will generally take a much more rigorous approach to database version upgrades. Companies just don't tend to upgrade their important databases in that fashion, and ditto for operating systems if they self-host. And then there's all the users of managed cloud database offerings (RDS, Cloud SQL, etc) who definitely don't accidentally switch database vendors in that manner. Google Cloud doesn't even offer managed MariaDB, and Azure is retiring their managed MariaDB product. Also keep in mind MariaDB hasn't been fully drop-in compatible with MySQL for over a decade. They've increasingly diverged in features and minor syntax differences over time. Just to be clear, I'm not bashing MariaDB, I quite like it as a database. But there's a lot of misconceptions about the relative usage levels of MariaDB vs MySQL among FOSS circles.
tonymet 1y ago
is anyone seriously using it? even their own brand facepile is pretty weak
- evanelias 1y ago
  MariaDB is widely used, including by some extremely high-traffic sites like Wikipedia [1], as well as some quite large multinational businesses [2]. It may not be as widespread as MySQL, but that's no surprise; despite HN's disdain, MySQL is still one of the most widely-used open source databases in existence. [1] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/MariaDB https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/MariaDB [2] https://mariadb.com/resources/customer-stories/ https://mariadb.com/resources/customer-stories/
- Aachen 1y ago
  Their what now?
  - tonymet 1y ago
    Customer portfolio
    - Aachen 1y ago
      Oh, huh I don't think I ever in my life considered what one's brand portfolio is when selecting which technology stack is good. But that explains why so many websites have big brand names on their homepage like "oracle and uber use us!" if some people actually care about that
      - tonymet 1y ago
        obviously prospects care .

by Aachen 1y ago

evanelias 1y ago

> Is MariaDB included in MySQL? I was wondering the same, but I'm not sure if it would make a major change in the graphs. MySQL and MariaDB have both been unpopular on Hacker News for many years. Submissions on either topic rarely get much traction, which then leads to fewer submissions. > MySQL trending downwards would make sense as people upgrade and switch over. No, most large MySQL users are still using MySQL; there hasn't been a widespread migration to MariaDB. They're both actively developed and have grown in slightly different directions. Among corporations, MySQL's usage still far outstrips MariaDB by a significant degree. Lately MariaDB has better product velocity though, and their commercial enterprise finally seems to have stable footing.

Aachen 1y ago
> there hasn't been a widespread migration to MariaDB I don't think I even knew I was running MariaDB at first, or perhaps more as a side note that I saw it dropping in mariadb when I apt installed mysql. If you upgraded Debian some time ago, I'm pretty certain you were automatically migrated, so anyone running that (or, presumably, one of the derivatives like Ubuntu) would have migrated knowingly or unknowingly, hence my assumption
- evanelias 1y ago
  Sure, it's a common point of confusion specifically because a few major Linux distros did that. But SREs / DBAs / DBREs will generally take a much more rigorous approach to database version upgrades. Companies just don't tend to upgrade their important databases in that fashion, and ditto for operating systems if they self-host. And then there's all the users of managed cloud database offerings (RDS, Cloud SQL, etc) who definitely don't accidentally switch database vendors in that manner. Google Cloud doesn't even offer managed MariaDB, and Azure is retiring their managed MariaDB product. Also keep in mind MariaDB hasn't been fully drop-in compatible with MySQL for over a decade. They've increasingly diverged in features and minor syntax differences over time. Just to be clear, I'm not bashing MariaDB, I quite like it as a database. But there's a lot of misconceptions about the relative usage levels of MariaDB vs MySQL among FOSS circles.

tonymet 1y ago

is anyone seriously using it? even their own brand facepile is pretty weak

evanelias 1y ago
MariaDB is widely used, including by some extremely high-traffic sites like Wikipedia [1], as well as some quite large multinational businesses [2]. It may not be as widespread as MySQL, but that's no surprise; despite HN's disdain, MySQL is still one of the most widely-used open source databases in existence. [1] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/MariaDB https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/MariaDB [2] https://mariadb.com/resources/customer-stories/ https://mariadb.com/resources/customer-stories/
Aachen 1y ago
Their what now?
- tonymet 1y ago
  Customer portfolio
  - Aachen 1y ago
    Oh, huh I don't think I ever in my life considered what one's brand portfolio is when selecting which technology stack is good. But that explains why so many websites have big brand names on their homepage like "oracle and uber use us!" if some people actually care about that
    - tonymet 1y ago
      obviously prospects care .