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Meanwhile the world population has reached 8.2 billion and is still rising. There are plenty of people out there. Just not the kind of people that those in powe
by foxyv 1y ago
Meanwhile the world population has reached 8.2 billion and is still rising. There are plenty of people out there. Just not the kind of people that those in power want.
This is why immigration is so important to the economy of a developed nation. You bring in families from around the world, give them amazing opportunities, then hire them to take care of the elderly and keep the lights on. Instead, our nation is trying to shut the door like a lone hoarder living in a pile of rotting trash.
- kmijyiyxfbklao 1y agoThis just delays coming up to a solution for what to do when population is declining everywhere. It only works as long as those other countries are poor.
- toomuchtodo 1y agoNo solution is needed. People are empowered to make the fertility choices they're making. Stop issuing debt that will never be paid back for tax cuts today. Stop building infrastructure that no one will be around to maintain. Stop stealing from the future today. The population decline is not the problem; the socioeconomic systems that exploited a global population boom are. They will be forced to change, they have no other option.
- foxyv 1y agoAgreed. It will be a looming problem until we can come up with an economic system that doesn't exploit young workers to prop up the older generation. Once we solve that I imagine that we'll see things stabilize population wise.
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- dang 1y agoYou can't do race war or religious flamewar on HN. Since your account has a habit of posting like this, we've banned it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44096953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44096953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43249433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43249433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41020972 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41020972 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32989120 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32989120 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32975223 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32975223
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- foxyv 1y agoI'm starting to think that nobody actually has original thoughts anymore. They just have a little button board like those kids toys that say "The cow goes moo." Except everything is drivel like "Hurry up and die so the foreigners can have your home" or "Low IQ immigrants are destroying our country."
- tptacek 1y agoJust flag comments like these.
- 123yawaworht456 1y ago>Just not the kind of people that those in power want. farm owners don't give a fuck what color the cattle is. >You bring in families from around the world and if/when they integrate into the host society, their children will have as few children as the natives >give them amazing opportunities, then hire them to take care of the elderly yeah, sure. changing adult diapers. such an amazing opportunity >This is why immigration is so important to the economy of a developed nation. exploiting the resources of the undeveloped nations is bread and butter of the developed nations, yeah. cui bono? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh2Vh-G3vEk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh2Vh-G3vEk
- foxyv 1y ago"yeah, sure. changing adult diapers. such an amazing opportunity" Nursing and elder care is a field that anyone can respect. Why do you spit on their contribution to society?
- 123yawaworht456 1y agoI don't spit at the people who do those jobs, I spit at the people who think those jobs are 'amazing opportunities'.
- dirtmerchant 1y agoCaregiving is an amazing opportunity. It is life-changing for the person receiving the care. It is fulfilling and soul-affirming for the person delivering the care.
- dns_snek 1y agoIf people agreed with your view that it's an "amazing opportunity" then nursing homes wouldn't be catastrophically understaffed. Of course that doesn't take away from anyone's enjoyment of that line of work, it is truly important, but it's not something that the vast majority of people see as an "amazing opportunity".
- franktankbank 1y agofunny, I thought those in power tend to get what they want?
- foxyv 1y agoWe often want things that are bad for us. We eat terrible food, smoke, pollute, litter, and generally act like fools. Those in power are no different.
- cubefox 1y agoOn a global level, fertility is negatively correlated with national IQ, and on a national level it is negatively correlated with individual IQ. Which strongly contradicts what you wrote.
- tptacek 1y agoCite a source for that? There are, in particular, no such thing as "national IQ" numbers.
- cubefox 1y ago"National IQ" refers to the average IQ of a country.
- tptacek 1y agoYes, that is a statistic that does not in fact exist. It may exist in theory, but there is no mechanism in place anywhere to collect it, and there never has been. Americans should know this intuitively by dint of most of us never having been "officially" IQ tested. Somehow, the notion of reliable national IQ statistics persists.
- hollerith 1y agoI was IQ tested by my school in Massachusetts more than once in the 1960s.
- tptacek 1y agoOk? Almost nobody is.
- hollerith 1y agoWhether anybody in the US is is irrelevant to whether data exists or used to exist from previous decades that was used to get an estimate of the average IQ of the US at that time in the past. I was tested by the public school system of the second-largest city in Massachusetts and have no reason to believe that my experience was atypical. About the same time as I was being tested, in Diana v. State Board of Education (1970) a court ruled that a school could not place students in a class for mild mental retardation because of a low score on the Stanford Benet IQ test, which of course implies that she was tested by her school. There were other lawsuits like this in other US states.
- ghusto 1y agoThe downward trend of birth rates applies to both developing and developed countries: https://www.gapminder.org/answers/how-did-babies-per-woman-change-in-different-regions/ https://www.gapminder.org/answers/how-did-babies-per-woman-c...
- southernplaces7 1y agoBear in mind that the lingering mass and inertia of big things in a process of slowing down can easily make it seem as if they're still doing fine along a certain path, until they're suddenly not.. I doubt we're going to literally drive ourselves to extinction via ceasing to have children at all, but a diminishing birth rate that goes below replacement levels, and an eventual gigantic demographic shift in age averages and total population are going to possibly be worse for us than having more people.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoSo sounds you are supporting legal immigration like Musk and Trump?