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Technically speaking, the rule of law was also abandoned to get us into the illegal immigrant situation in the first place. If rule of law was honored the entir

Technically speaking, the rule of law was also abandoned to get us into the illegal immigrant situation in the first place. If rule of law was honored the entire time, we would have no problem. It does feel a bit "rules for thee, but not for me".

Ar-Curunir 1y ago
ICE enforcement has been on the rise since the first Trump admin including Biden’s presidency, and Harris promised to increase those enforcement actions. Both camps have been doing this bullshit, but clearly Trump is performing a fascist takeover of the US. If you can’t see that, I recommend going to an eye doctor.
- pfannkuchen 1y ago
  I don’t really understand the team sport framing. Whoever was in charge over the past N years did not uphold the rule of law with respect to humans moving across the border. I don’t really care what party they were from, it’s not relevant. So whoever cares about fixing the problem is now more constrained in the fix than the people who allowed it to happen in the first place. That is kind of interesting, and I could understand how some people would feel justified in bending the rules to fix the problem.
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  - anigbrowl 1y ago
    This is like arguing that state governments have ignored the rule of law because some people get away with speeding. Additionally, illegal presence (as opposed to entry) is a civil violation, not a criminal one. And the law as written grants broad (indeed nigh unlimited) discretion to the executive branch in how administrative law is enforced and decisions are made, rather than mandating specific outcomes or methods. So I don't think your premise is valid at all.
cookiengineer 1y ago
> Technically speaking, the rule of law was also abandoned to get us into the illegal immigrant situation in the first place. If rule of law was honored the entire time, we would have no problem. It does feel a bit "rules for thee, but not for me". Abandoning the law because your counterpart did so isn't the morally correct thing to do. Our democracies are built on the principle that we have due process for people that were not upholding the law. That's literally how criminal courts work. This is not the case in the US anymore. The people in those concentration camps did not have due process. No defense lawyer, no legal process, not even a judicative order by judges were upheld. Not by ICE, not by the people governing those camps. If the legal process is abandoned, it's by definition an absolutist executive power. The alien invasion excuse will only go so far. Maybe you should think about what happens when you run out of Latinos to blame, because nations that are built on fascist principles will need further demographics to blame, that's how they work. And we have a lot of historic evidence on what happens once those demographics run out.

Ar-Curunir 1y ago

ICE enforcement has been on the rise since the first Trump admin including Biden’s presidency, and Harris promised to increase those enforcement actions. Both camps have been doing this bullshit, but clearly Trump is performing a fascist takeover of the US. If you can’t see that, I recommend going to an eye doctor.

pfannkuchen 1y ago
I don’t really understand the team sport framing. Whoever was in charge over the past N years did not uphold the rule of law with respect to humans moving across the border. I don’t really care what party they were from, it’s not relevant. So whoever cares about fixing the problem is now more constrained in the fix than the people who allowed it to happen in the first place. That is kind of interesting, and I could understand how some people would feel justified in bending the rules to fix the problem.
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- anigbrowl 1y ago
  This is like arguing that state governments have ignored the rule of law because some people get away with speeding. Additionally, illegal presence (as opposed to entry) is a civil violation, not a criminal one. And the law as written grants broad (indeed nigh unlimited) discretion to the executive branch in how administrative law is enforced and decisions are made, rather than mandating specific outcomes or methods. So I don't think your premise is valid at all.

cookiengineer 1y ago

> Technically speaking, the rule of law was also abandoned to get us into the illegal immigrant situation in the first place. If rule of law was honored the entire time, we would have no problem. It does feel a bit "rules for thee, but not for me". Abandoning the law because your counterpart did so isn't the morally correct thing to do. Our democracies are built on the principle that we have due process for people that were not upholding the law. That's literally how criminal courts work. This is not the case in the US anymore. The people in those concentration camps did not have due process. No defense lawyer, no legal process, not even a judicative order by judges were upheld. Not by ICE, not by the people governing those camps. If the legal process is abandoned, it's by definition an absolutist executive power. The alien invasion excuse will only go so far. Maybe you should think about what happens when you run out of Latinos to blame, because nations that are built on fascist principles will need further demographics to blame, that's how they work. And we have a lot of historic evidence on what happens once those demographics run out.