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When I saw this news, my first thought was that she lasted about 1 year and 11 months longer than I expected after the first few weeks. I know Twitter had many

When I saw this news, my first thought was that she lasted about 1 year and 11 months longer than I expected after the first few weeks. I know Twitter had many terrible aspects, but I do miss the world voice old Twitter provided for quotes that could be engaged with in an "everyone is here" kind of feeling that doesn't exist on any other platforms right now.

kylebenzle 1y ago
Of course I hate what Elon has done to Twitter but you're feeling previously that everyone was there was an illusion brought on by massive propaganda and manipulation of the conversation. The same thing has happened to Reddit now, well it feels more inclusive and open it's actually an incredibly controlled enclosed system that only allows one specific viewpoint. Now of course to the people inside that bubble it feels like freedom but to everyone else it looks like a liberal echo chamber. For example, when the actual owner of the at Bitcoin handle wasn't pushing the narrative that Jack Dorsey wanted they hijacked the moniker and gave it to a pro b Blockstream (THE COMPANY THAT CONTROLS THE BITCOIN CODE BASE) individual. For most people that support Bitcoin and blockstream it looks like a victory of free speech but in reality they're just controlling more and more of the speech and kicking out anyone from the conversation who disagrees.
- fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
  > liberal echo chamber It skews one way, but there's definitely a large diversity in opinions on Reddit that are not hard to find. It's also transitioning into an India social media site, just from sheer population numbers.
  - apwell23 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - regularjack 1y ago
      Your ban was deserved
      - apwell23 1y ago
        why is that ? btw i am indian too. It was in /r/askindians
        arp242 1y ago
        The "perceived as" could be interpreted as a genuine "perhaps this is what they think?" or just as "empty language", in which case you're effectively saying "they're all scammers and mass migrating here to steal our jobs". I'll assume you meant the first, but with loads of flagged comments in the queue and many people who do genuinely mean that sort of thing, it's easy for moderators to misinterpret things. I once called out a blatantly racist post and used "the n-word" while doing so. Admittedly not my finest moment, but I was fed up (the content was something along the lines of "I think this is called ethnic cleaning. Why don't you just admit they're all n----s to you?") I got banned for my "racism". For calling out racism. The racist post that called for ethnic cleaning was left standing as that was lengthy and used polite language. For the hasty moderator with tons of flagged comments: one is a wall of text and scans okay, the other used a bad word so could perhaps be racist. 537 more flagged comments in the queue. Ban. Next. It is what it is.
        apwell23 1y ago
        yea that makes sense. btw, i appealed the ban and they reviewed it again and ban stands. Never went back to reddit again. even blocked it on /etc/hosts I am not sure about why comment here was flagged and ppl saying "you deserve ban". So I guess everyone is assuming "empty language" .
        saagarjha 1y ago
        Yes. If you don't want to be perceived that way, prefix your comment with clarification that it's not actually your opinion.
  - swarnie 1y ago
    Reddit really doesn't. I commented on a particular sub (in opposition to what i think the core hivemind is there) and was immediately banned from about 30 others. Reddit is the most insular, single minded set of communities I've seen on social media. I dont think you can claim diversity if the userbase all wall themselves off from each other with bots.
    - afavour 1y ago
      What, specifically, did you say that was “in opposition to the core hive mind” that led you to being blocked?
      - swarnie 1y ago
        Sorry, maybe i wasn't clear. I posted on the ReformUK subreddit in opposition to something that was being touted there. The context of the post doesn't matter, posting on that sub is enough to get you blanked banned from many other placed. Getting banned from a default sub you've never posted in because you told a racist boomer somewhere else they might be falling for propaganda is bloody weird.
        campbel 1y ago
        I think the intention of it, as weird as it may seem, is to punish people for engaging with content the other subreddit mods feel is distasteful enough to warrant the effort. I can't speak to whether this is a useful tactic on their part, or whether its fair to you, but IMO this is just another kind of "free speech" that exists.
        tbrownaw 1y ago
        It's also that even engaging with ("platforming" or "amplifying") wrongthink makes you guilty by association. If someone's feeling talkative and generous you might even get the "tolerating intolerance" speech.
        robocat 1y ago
  - peab 1y ago
    reddit is like the most censored part of the internet at the moment.
    - thunderfork 1y ago
      [dead]
    - arp242 1y ago
      [ Removed by Reddit ]
    - bnralt 1y ago
      Right, Reddit banned any sub that disagreed with the progressive positions on Transgender issues, any mainstream subs would ban users for disagreeing with those positions, and heterodox subs were warned not to discuss them or else they could be banned. For instance, here's the Moderate Politics sub discussion on why they banned transgender topics[1]: > The first of these banned topics: gender identity, the transgender experience, and the laws that may affect these topics. > Please note that we do not make this decision lightly, nor was the Mod Team unanimous in this path forward. Over the past week, the Mod Team has tried on several occasions to receive clarification from the Admins on how to best facilitate civil discourse around these topics. There responses only left us more confused, but the takeaway was clear: any discussion critical of these topics may result in action against you by the Admins. Also mod efforts to enforce an ideological view across the entire site. For instance, in the run up to the 2020 election, mods on the boardgame sub started going through the history of users and would ban anyone who voted for Trump. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/moderatepolitics/comments/mkxcc0/state_of_the_subreddit_victims_of_our_own_success/ https://www.reddit.com/r/moderatepolitics/comments/mkxcc0/st...
      - fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
        But subreddits are free, and unlimited. You can make one yourself if you don't like how another one is moderated. People that like your approach can gather there. Of course that takes effort and is not easy, but Reddit itself (for the most part) is not banning you or your sub if you want to make a right wing house plant subreddit. If you want to make a pro Luigi anti transgender house plant subreddit, it probably gets banned. Leftist subreddits also get banned for breaking site wide rules. The /r/chapotraphouse subreddit got banned in 2020, for example. Reddit is best experienced in general by ignoring default subs and finding smaller ones that are relevant to your interests. Moderating a large sub is hard. The scale is just too big, and it's individual volunteers doing it.
  - desichix1 1y ago
    > It skews one way, but there's definitely a large diversity in opinions on Reddit that are not hard to find. It's also transitioning into an India social media site, just from sheer population numbers. This happened on Quora until almost all western users left. Initially it was nice to have diversity of users and opinions, but then people started using Indian parlance that only other Indian users could understand (started referring to salaries as crore, relationship advice would reference Indian actors, etc.)
    - Lu2025 1y ago
      > started referring to salaries as crore, relationship advice would reference Indian actors Crore is a funny word, I should use it more often. English is an international language now and no country has a monopoly. We should take contributions from everyone.
    - gsky 1y ago
      by your logic Americans using millions is also a problem. Remember number system came from India. you cant tell them to change it for your convenience
      - fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
        No, by their logic (because it's exactly what he said) the diversity was nice. It becoming a monoculture was perhaps less nice, but no opinion on that was offered, you have to infer.
  - fourseventy 1y ago
    Nowadays Reddit is a far left echo chamber that will downvote you into oblivion for voicing an opinion as controversial as "men can't get pregnant"
    - saagarjha 1y ago
      You've gotten downvoted here for saying the exact same thing. Maybe you should improve your opinions?
      - collyw 1y ago
        [flagged]
        saagarjha 1y ago
        Nobody is making you say anything. You can just keep quiet.
        collyw 1y ago
        Men can't get pregnant and I am not going to pretend that they can.
      - fourseventy 1y ago
        So your opinion is that men can get pregnant?
        fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
        Most people aren't interested in just talking past each other or responding to people saying something to get a rise. What you're trying to say here is that you disagree with having a distinction between sex and gender identity, but you're doing it in a purposefully obtuse and inflammatory way. That indicates to me that you're not really interested in having a conversation. You're likely seeking downvotes and bans to justify your own bias.
  - doitformango 1y ago
    "a large diversity in opinions on Reddit that are not hard to find." I think you forgot the /s. Plus reddit is mostly bots now driving engagement, with AI slop splattered everywhere. It went from bad to worse in just a few years. I scan the homepage without an account every now and then and it's awful.
- krunck 1y ago
  All caps don't make it true.
- kragen 1y ago
  Possibly leakycap is thinking about 02012 and you're thinking about 02018. In that case you'd both be right about Twitter.
  - tonymet 1y ago
    this was my take as well. twitter nostalgia not reality. I put the egalitarian age at around 2009 but you're right Kony-2012 was a huge pivot for social media
    - kragen 1y ago
      I was talking about reality. Twitter wasn't perfect in 02012 but it was before the reproductively viable worker ant.
      - tonymet 1y ago
        i don't think i've heard that story yet
        kragen 1y ago
        Google it.
        tonymet 1y ago
        i did and it didn't make any sense
        kragen 1y ago
        Were you on Twitter in 02014?
        tonymet 1y ago
        is this some inside reference to gamergate? what are you trying to say? it was better before gamergate, or after? Just speak english dude.
- baby 1y ago
  It's literally impossible to post anything on any interesting subreddit right now, your post will just repeatedly get deleted.
tonymet 1y ago
Can you drill into "everyone is here"? Prior to twitterfiles, Twitter felt overly corporate . I agree it's pivoted into another community. A lot of the mainstream and left leaning contributors have been downranked or moved to other platforms. But Twitter hasn't felt like raw, egalitarian conversation since 2009
- righthand 1y ago
  I think the “everyone is here” feeling is because the media outlets use it quite a bit. So even though mostly everyone is not on Twitter it felt like anyone who is anyone was on Twitter. I don’t really miss the FOMO that was intended to produce but I imagine if you played along it validated the FOMO some how.
  - martinald 1y ago
    To be honest though it is still by far the best place to get "news" about (very recent) current affairs. Obviously there is an incredible amount of disinformation on it, but if you can filter that out mentally (though I don't know how possible that is), you tend to get a far more 'real time' take on things. Me and a friend were talking about this before - for big news stories I/we would instinctively put rolling news on. Now it's usually Twitter I check. This is compounded by the fact that so many political events 'happen' on Twitter/X (and for Trump, Truth Social then screenshotted onto Twitter). Even without Trump I would say the majority of UK political 'intrigue' is done directly on twitter. So I think it's actually the other way round; media outlets use it quite a bit because instead of press conferences and what not a lot of news comes straight onto it. Btw, this isn't too say traditional journalism doesn't have a place - it absolutely does and most of the current affairs content I read is on that. But for 'fast moving' events Twitter has managed to keep its place in my eyes, which I'm surprised about to be honest. Bluesky does not have anywhere near the same momentum which really shows you how important network effects are.
    - timeon 1y ago
      > (though I don't know how possible that is) Not possible if you are exposed to it periodically. So the value of 'news' source seems to be negative.

kylebenzle 1y ago

Of course I hate what Elon has done to Twitter but you're feeling previously that everyone was there was an illusion brought on by massive propaganda and manipulation of the conversation. The same thing has happened to Reddit now, well it feels more inclusive and open it's actually an incredibly controlled enclosed system that only allows one specific viewpoint. Now of course to the people inside that bubble it feels like freedom but to everyone else it looks like a liberal echo chamber. For example, when the actual owner of the at Bitcoin handle wasn't pushing the narrative that Jack Dorsey wanted they hijacked the moniker and gave it to a pro b Blockstream (THE COMPANY THAT CONTROLS THE BITCOIN CODE BASE) individual. For most people that support Bitcoin and blockstream it looks like a victory of free speech but in reality they're just controlling more and more of the speech and kicking out anyone from the conversation who disagrees.

fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
> liberal echo chamber It skews one way, but there's definitely a large diversity in opinions on Reddit that are not hard to find. It's also transitioning into an India social media site, just from sheer population numbers.
- apwell23 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - regularjack 1y ago
    Your ban was deserved
    - apwell23 1y ago
      why is that ? btw i am indian too. It was in /r/askindians
      - arp242 1y ago
        The "perceived as" could be interpreted as a genuine "perhaps this is what they think?" or just as "empty language", in which case you're effectively saying "they're all scammers and mass migrating here to steal our jobs". I'll assume you meant the first, but with loads of flagged comments in the queue and many people who do genuinely mean that sort of thing, it's easy for moderators to misinterpret things. I once called out a blatantly racist post and used "the n-word" while doing so. Admittedly not my finest moment, but I was fed up (the content was something along the lines of "I think this is called ethnic cleaning. Why don't you just admit they're all n----s to you?") I got banned for my "racism". For calling out racism. The racist post that called for ethnic cleaning was left standing as that was lengthy and used polite language. For the hasty moderator with tons of flagged comments: one is a wall of text and scans okay, the other used a bad word so could perhaps be racist. 537 more flagged comments in the queue. Ban. Next. It is what it is.
        apwell23 1y ago
        yea that makes sense. btw, i appealed the ban and they reviewed it again and ban stands. Never went back to reddit again. even blocked it on /etc/hosts I am not sure about why comment here was flagged and ppl saying "you deserve ban". So I guess everyone is assuming "empty language" .
        saagarjha 1y ago
        Yes. If you don't want to be perceived that way, prefix your comment with clarification that it's not actually your opinion.
- swarnie 1y ago
  Reddit really doesn't. I commented on a particular sub (in opposition to what i think the core hivemind is there) and was immediately banned from about 30 others. Reddit is the most insular, single minded set of communities I've seen on social media. I dont think you can claim diversity if the userbase all wall themselves off from each other with bots.
  - afavour 1y ago
    What, specifically, did you say that was “in opposition to the core hive mind” that led you to being blocked?
    - swarnie 1y ago
      Sorry, maybe i wasn't clear. I posted on the ReformUK subreddit in opposition to something that was being touted there. The context of the post doesn't matter, posting on that sub is enough to get you blanked banned from many other placed. Getting banned from a default sub you've never posted in because you told a racist boomer somewhere else they might be falling for propaganda is bloody weird.
      - campbel 1y ago
        I think the intention of it, as weird as it may seem, is to punish people for engaging with content the other subreddit mods feel is distasteful enough to warrant the effort. I can't speak to whether this is a useful tactic on their part, or whether its fair to you, but IMO this is just another kind of "free speech" that exists.
        tbrownaw 1y ago
        It's also that even engaging with ("platforming" or "amplifying") wrongthink makes you guilty by association. If someone's feeling talkative and generous you might even get the "tolerating intolerance" speech.
      - robocat 1y ago
- peab 1y ago
  reddit is like the most censored part of the internet at the moment.
  - thunderfork 1y ago
    [dead]
  - arp242 1y ago
    [ Removed by Reddit ]
  - bnralt 1y ago
    Right, Reddit banned any sub that disagreed with the progressive positions on Transgender issues, any mainstream subs would ban users for disagreeing with those positions, and heterodox subs were warned not to discuss them or else they could be banned. For instance, here's the Moderate Politics sub discussion on why they banned transgender topics[1]: > The first of these banned topics: gender identity, the transgender experience, and the laws that may affect these topics. > Please note that we do not make this decision lightly, nor was the Mod Team unanimous in this path forward. Over the past week, the Mod Team has tried on several occasions to receive clarification from the Admins on how to best facilitate civil discourse around these topics. There responses only left us more confused, but the takeaway was clear: any discussion critical of these topics may result in action against you by the Admins. Also mod efforts to enforce an ideological view across the entire site. For instance, in the run up to the 2020 election, mods on the boardgame sub started going through the history of users and would ban anyone who voted for Trump. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/moderatepolitics/comments/mkxcc0/state_of_the_subreddit_victims_of_our_own_success/ https://www.reddit.com/r/moderatepolitics/comments/mkxcc0/st...
    - fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
      But subreddits are free, and unlimited. You can make one yourself if you don't like how another one is moderated. People that like your approach can gather there. Of course that takes effort and is not easy, but Reddit itself (for the most part) is not banning you or your sub if you want to make a right wing house plant subreddit. If you want to make a pro Luigi anti transgender house plant subreddit, it probably gets banned. Leftist subreddits also get banned for breaking site wide rules. The /r/chapotraphouse subreddit got banned in 2020, for example. Reddit is best experienced in general by ignoring default subs and finding smaller ones that are relevant to your interests. Moderating a large sub is hard. The scale is just too big, and it's individual volunteers doing it.
- desichix1 1y ago
  > It skews one way, but there's definitely a large diversity in opinions on Reddit that are not hard to find. It's also transitioning into an India social media site, just from sheer population numbers. This happened on Quora until almost all western users left. Initially it was nice to have diversity of users and opinions, but then people started using Indian parlance that only other Indian users could understand (started referring to salaries as crore, relationship advice would reference Indian actors, etc.)
  - Lu2025 1y ago
    > started referring to salaries as crore, relationship advice would reference Indian actors Crore is a funny word, I should use it more often. English is an international language now and no country has a monopoly. We should take contributions from everyone.
  - gsky 1y ago
    by your logic Americans using millions is also a problem. Remember number system came from India. you cant tell them to change it for your convenience
    - fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
      No, by their logic (because it's exactly what he said) the diversity was nice. It becoming a monoculture was perhaps less nice, but no opinion on that was offered, you have to infer.
- fourseventy 1y ago
  Nowadays Reddit is a far left echo chamber that will downvote you into oblivion for voicing an opinion as controversial as "men can't get pregnant"
  - saagarjha 1y ago
    You've gotten downvoted here for saying the exact same thing. Maybe you should improve your opinions?
    - collyw 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - saagarjha 1y ago
        Nobody is making you say anything. You can just keep quiet.
        collyw 1y ago
        Men can't get pregnant and I am not going to pretend that they can.
    - fourseventy 1y ago
      So your opinion is that men can get pregnant?
      - fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
        Most people aren't interested in just talking past each other or responding to people saying something to get a rise. What you're trying to say here is that you disagree with having a distinction between sex and gender identity, but you're doing it in a purposefully obtuse and inflammatory way. That indicates to me that you're not really interested in having a conversation. You're likely seeking downvotes and bans to justify your own bias.
- doitformango 1y ago
  "a large diversity in opinions on Reddit that are not hard to find." I think you forgot the /s. Plus reddit is mostly bots now driving engagement, with AI slop splattered everywhere. It went from bad to worse in just a few years. I scan the homepage without an account every now and then and it's awful.
krunck 1y ago
All caps don't make it true.
kragen 1y ago
Possibly leakycap is thinking about 02012 and you're thinking about 02018. In that case you'd both be right about Twitter.
- tonymet 1y ago
  this was my take as well. twitter nostalgia not reality. I put the egalitarian age at around 2009 but you're right Kony-2012 was a huge pivot for social media
  - kragen 1y ago
    I was talking about reality. Twitter wasn't perfect in 02012 but it was before the reproductively viable worker ant.
    - tonymet 1y ago
      i don't think i've heard that story yet
      - kragen 1y ago
        Google it.
        tonymet 1y ago
        i did and it didn't make any sense
        kragen 1y ago
        Were you on Twitter in 02014?
        tonymet 1y ago
        is this some inside reference to gamergate? what are you trying to say? it was better before gamergate, or after? Just speak english dude.
baby 1y ago
It's literally impossible to post anything on any interesting subreddit right now, your post will just repeatedly get deleted.

tonymet 1y ago

Can you drill into "everyone is here"? Prior to twitterfiles, Twitter felt overly corporate . I agree it's pivoted into another community. A lot of the mainstream and left leaning contributors have been downranked or moved to other platforms. But Twitter hasn't felt like raw, egalitarian conversation since 2009

righthand 1y ago
I think the “everyone is here” feeling is because the media outlets use it quite a bit. So even though mostly everyone is not on Twitter it felt like anyone who is anyone was on Twitter. I don’t really miss the FOMO that was intended to produce but I imagine if you played along it validated the FOMO some how.
- martinald 1y ago
  To be honest though it is still by far the best place to get "news" about (very recent) current affairs. Obviously there is an incredible amount of disinformation on it, but if you can filter that out mentally (though I don't know how possible that is), you tend to get a far more 'real time' take on things. Me and a friend were talking about this before - for big news stories I/we would instinctively put rolling news on. Now it's usually Twitter I check. This is compounded by the fact that so many political events 'happen' on Twitter/X (and for Trump, Truth Social then screenshotted onto Twitter). Even without Trump I would say the majority of UK political 'intrigue' is done directly on twitter. So I think it's actually the other way round; media outlets use it quite a bit because instead of press conferences and what not a lot of news comes straight onto it. Btw, this isn't too say traditional journalism doesn't have a place - it absolutely does and most of the current affairs content I read is on that. But for 'fast moving' events Twitter has managed to keep its place in my eyes, which I'm surprised about to be honest. Bluesky does not have anywhere near the same momentum which really shows you how important network effects are.
  - timeon 1y ago
    > (though I don't know how possible that is) Not possible if you are exposed to it periodically. So the value of 'news' source seems to be negative.