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What is the Nazi chatbot?

• nickthegreek 1y ago
  grok yesterday.
  • miroljub 1y ago
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    • zht 1y ago
      grok was praising hitler...
      • miroljub 1y ago
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    • abhinavk 1y ago
      Censoring hard is not the defining feature that makes one a Nazi. It's the part think that you think is OK.
• lode 1y ago
  Grok, the xAI chatbot, went full neo-nazi yesterday: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jul/09/grok-ai-praised-hitler-antisemitism-x-ntwnfb https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jul/09/grok-ai-p...
  • Covzire 1y ago
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    • shadowfacts 1y ago
      ... yes, that's the complaint. The prompt engineering they did made it spew neo-Nazi vitriol. They either did not adequately test it beforehand and didn't know what would happen, or they did test and knew the outcome—either way, it's bad.
      • Covzire 1y ago
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        • mingus88 1y ago
          I’m going to say that is also bad. Hot take?
      • mjmsmith 1y ago
        It was an interesting demonstration of the politically-incorrect-to-Nazi pipeline though.
      • busterarm 1y ago
        Long live Tay! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot)
        • immibis 1y ago
          Tay (allegedly) learned from repeated interaction with users; the current generation of LLMs can't do that. It's trained once and then that's it.
          • busterarm 1y ago
            Do you think that Tay's user-interactions were novel or perhaps race-based hatred is a consistent/persistent human garbage that made it into the corpus used to train LLMs? We're literally trying to shove as much data as possible into these things afterall. What I'm implying is that you think you made a point, but you didn't.
    • barbazoo 1y ago
      Can you though?
      • frumplestlatz 1y ago
        Yes. LLMs mirror humanity. AI “alignment” is a Band-Aid on a gunshot wound.
    • deleted 1y ago
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    • wat10000 1y ago
      “which 20th century historical figure would be best suited to deal with this problem?” is not exactly sophisticated prompt engineering.
    • techpineapple 1y ago
      To me, and I'm guessing the reason Linda left is not that Grok said these things. Tweaking chatbots is hard, yes prompt engineering can help say anything, but I'm guessing it's her sense of control and governance, not wanting to have to constantly clean up Musk's messes. Musk made a change recently, he said as much, he was all move fast and break things about it, and I imagine Linda is tired of dealing with that, and this probably coincided with him focusing on the company more, having recently left politics. We can bikeshed on the morality of what AI chatbots should and shouldn't say, but it's really hard to manage a company and product development when you such a disorganized CTO.
      • 0cf8612b2e1e 1y ago
        Left politics? He said he is forming his own political party.
        • techpineapple 1y ago
          Ha, good point, left the white house anyways.
    • eviks 1y ago
      Is this what happened in reality? Otherwise how is your theory applicable to this case?
      • thomassmith65 1y ago
        There's no mystery to it: if one trains a chatbot explicitly to eschew establishment narratives, one persona the bot will develop is that of an edgelord.
    • pyrale 1y ago
      How much prompt engineering was required to have Musk say the same kind of stuff? The article points out the likely faulty prompts, they were introduced by xAI.
• deleted 1y ago
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• perihelions 1y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44504709 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44504709 ("Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts"—16 hours ago; 89 comments)
  • rtkwe 1y ago
    "Weirdly" always gets flagged almost immediately even though it's quite tech relevant.
    • steveBK123 1y ago
      Yes, sensing this trend at HN lately
    • tslocum 1y ago
      With 8 points in an hour, my post drawing attention to this is missing from the front pages. HN is censoring news about X / Twitter https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44511132 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44511132 https://web.archive.org/web/20250709152608/https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44511132 https://web.archive.org/web/20250709152608/https://news.ycom... https://web.archive.org/web/20250709172615/https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44511132 https://web.archive.org/web/20250709172615/https://news.ycom...
    • rsynnott 1y ago
      Naughty Ol' Mr Car's fanboys tend to flag anything that makes Dear Leader look bad. Surprised this one hasn't been nuked yet, tbh.
• theahura 1y ago
  see here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44510635 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44510635
• bcoates 1y ago
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  • Zambyte 1y ago
    Yeah that's not even close to what's going on here. Grok is literally bringing up Hitler in unrelated topics. https://bsky.app/profile/percyyabysshe.bsky.social/post/3lti5bq2l5c2h https://bsky.app/profile/percyyabysshe.bsky.social/post/3lti...
    • bcoates 1y ago
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      • ceejayoz 1y ago
        Direct evidence abounds. X is deleting the worst cases, but plenty are archived before they do. https://archive.is/fJcSV https://archive.is/fJcSV https://archive.is/I3Rr7 https://archive.is/I3Rr7 https://archive.is/QLAn0 https://archive.is/QLAn0 https://archive.is/OgtpS https://archive.is/OgtpS
• ChrisArchitect 1y ago
  Related discussions from the past 12 hrs for those catching up: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44504709 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44504709 Musk's AI firm deletes posts after chatbot praises Hitler https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44507419 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44507419