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Hardware? What hardware? Frankly, I havent bought nothing over last 10 years. I have laptop, you see...

by atirip 14y ago

icebraining 14y ago
Laptops are not hardware now?
snitko 14y ago
I bought Samsung Galaxy S3 recently, plugged it in via USB and was not able to browse it because, as far as I understood, MacOSX has no support for "media devices" whatever that is. I had to download some obscure Samsung "Kies" software through which I was able to get to the filesystem and upload some files. Wasted hours.
- raverbashing 14y ago
  Oh my This is 100% to blame on Samsung, sorry. Even though my Samsung phone is seen as a USB device (and it works on MAC OS X), but maybe in the newer models they removed this functionality (and called it a feature) People may complain that iPhones need iTunes but then again it's iTunes not the gigantic pile of crap that is Kies
  - Danieru 14y ago
    No it has nothing to do with Samsung. In ICE Google changed how the partitions are handled: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11714077&postcount=1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11714077&... It was pure engineering tradeoff to improve things in the long term. If anything OEMs would have preferred the old 'just works', sub-optimal, gives-an-excuse-to-obsolete-a-phone, lower support issues, solution. The ball is now in operating systems' court to support this standard in a way it wasn't envisioned to work a few years ago. Even ubuntu has been slow on this front.
    - raverbashing 14y ago
      Nice explanation, if it's to facilitate upgrades I'm all for it!
- Joeri 14y ago
  That's the thing about samsung. They copied the bad stuff as well: weird connectors, itunes / kies.
- nirvana 14y ago
  This is samsung not following USB standards. OS X has perfectly find support for media devices, and has worked fine with every digital camera, SD Card or other card reader, etc, that I've attached via USB in the past decade!
  - andybak 14y ago
    Actually it's lack of MTP support in OS X. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol
  - jlgreco 14y ago
    Everything under the sun supports UMS, that OSX does is nothing special. That is not what his device was using though.
  - cageface 14y ago
    Wrong. It's Google's decision to abandon direct mounting Android drives in ICS in favor of the MTP standard. Which is the right move in the long term, although it's certainly causing some pain in the short term.
- teach 14y ago
  This is not an issue with Apple or Samsung, it's an Android decision. Support for the USB Mass Storage protocol has been deprecated in Android in favor of MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) starting with Ice Cream Sandwich. The experience in Windows and on Linux is just as poor with this phone. (I love the phone, though.)
  - tesseractive 14y ago
    I haven't had any trouble using a Nexus 7 with Windows, it's worked like a charm. What's supposed to be the huge problem with MTP, exactly?
    - teach 14y ago
      I take that back, my Galaxy S III does work as expected using MTP with Windows 7. Previously my workplace was using an older Windows.
  - thwarted 14y ago
    Why can't Apple support MTP? Linux gets cited for lack of hardware or protocol support (MTP to an Android device works fine in Linux, btw), but it's not Apple's fault when they can't or don't provide drivers for common, standardized consumer electronics?
    - jlgreco 14y ago
      It seems fairly obvious that the reason is that facts which do not fit the narrative are not talked about. Confirmation bias in action.
    - teach 14y ago
      MTP does not work fine in Linux (specifically, Ubuntu 12.04). You can read the files but not write arbitrary files into arbitrary folders.
- lvillani 14y ago
  Starting with Honeycomb the storage partition is exposed through MTP (or PTP), this way it can be accessed concurrently by both Android and your computer. Before Honeycomb, said partition could be accessed as an USB mass-storage drive but that required it to be unmounted, thus making all data unavailable to Android while it was connected to a computer. In my experience only Windows 7 has passable MTP support. On Linux I had mixed results with gvfs and mtpfs (slow and crashy). jmtpfs [1] is a nice replacement, though. Google also released an application for OS X [2] but I can't try it since I don't own an Apple computer. My solution to the problem was to install a WebDAV server (such as [3]) on my device (Galaxy Nexus) and access it wirelessly. [1]: http://research.jacquette.com/jmtpfs-exchanging-files-between-android-devices-and-linux/ [2]: http://www.android.com/filetransfer/ [3]: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.theolivetree.webdavserver

Hardware? What hardware? Frankly, I havent bought nothing over last 10 years. I have laptop, you see...

by atirip 14y ago

Hardware? What hardware? Frankly, I havent bought nothing over last 10 years. I have laptop, you see...

icebraining 14y ago

Laptops are not hardware now?

snitko 14y ago

I bought Samsung Galaxy S3 recently, plugged it in via USB and was not able to browse it because, as far as I understood, MacOSX has no support for "media devices" whatever that is. I had to download some obscure Samsung "Kies" software through which I was able to get to the filesystem and upload some files. Wasted hours.

raverbashing 14y ago
Oh my This is 100% to blame on Samsung, sorry. Even though my Samsung phone is seen as a USB device (and it works on MAC OS X), but maybe in the newer models they removed this functionality (and called it a feature) People may complain that iPhones need iTunes but then again it's iTunes not the gigantic pile of crap that is Kies
- Danieru 14y ago
  No it has nothing to do with Samsung. In ICE Google changed how the partitions are handled: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11714077&postcount=1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11714077&... It was pure engineering tradeoff to improve things in the long term. If anything OEMs would have preferred the old 'just works', sub-optimal, gives-an-excuse-to-obsolete-a-phone, lower support issues, solution. The ball is now in operating systems' court to support this standard in a way it wasn't envisioned to work a few years ago. Even ubuntu has been slow on this front.
  - raverbashing 14y ago
    Nice explanation, if it's to facilitate upgrades I'm all for it!
Joeri 14y ago
That's the thing about samsung. They copied the bad stuff as well: weird connectors, itunes / kies.
nirvana 14y ago
This is samsung not following USB standards. OS X has perfectly find support for media devices, and has worked fine with every digital camera, SD Card or other card reader, etc, that I've attached via USB in the past decade!
- andybak 14y ago
  Actually it's lack of MTP support in OS X. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol
- jlgreco 14y ago
  Everything under the sun supports UMS, that OSX does is nothing special. That is not what his device was using though.
- cageface 14y ago
  Wrong. It's Google's decision to abandon direct mounting Android drives in ICS in favor of the MTP standard. Which is the right move in the long term, although it's certainly causing some pain in the short term.
teach 14y ago
This is not an issue with Apple or Samsung, it's an Android decision. Support for the USB Mass Storage protocol has been deprecated in Android in favor of MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) starting with Ice Cream Sandwich. The experience in Windows and on Linux is just as poor with this phone. (I love the phone, though.)
- tesseractive 14y ago
  I haven't had any trouble using a Nexus 7 with Windows, it's worked like a charm. What's supposed to be the huge problem with MTP, exactly?
  - teach 14y ago
    I take that back, my Galaxy S III does work as expected using MTP with Windows 7. Previously my workplace was using an older Windows.
- thwarted 14y ago
  Why can't Apple support MTP? Linux gets cited for lack of hardware or protocol support (MTP to an Android device works fine in Linux, btw), but it's not Apple's fault when they can't or don't provide drivers for common, standardized consumer electronics?
  - jlgreco 14y ago
    It seems fairly obvious that the reason is that facts which do not fit the narrative are not talked about. Confirmation bias in action.
  - teach 14y ago
    MTP does not work fine in Linux (specifically, Ubuntu 12.04). You can read the files but not write arbitrary files into arbitrary folders.
lvillani 14y ago
Starting with Honeycomb the storage partition is exposed through MTP (or PTP), this way it can be accessed concurrently by both Android and your computer. Before Honeycomb, said partition could be accessed as an USB mass-storage drive but that required it to be unmounted, thus making all data unavailable to Android while it was connected to a computer. In my experience only Windows 7 has passable MTP support. On Linux I had mixed results with gvfs and mtpfs (slow and crashy). jmtpfs [1] is a nice replacement, though. Google also released an application for OS X [2] but I can't try it since I don't own an Apple computer. My solution to the problem was to install a WebDAV server (such as [3]) on my device (Galaxy Nexus) and access it wirelessly. [1]: http://research.jacquette.com/jmtpfs-exchanging-files-between-android-devices-and-linux/ [2]: http://www.android.com/filetransfer/ [3]: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.theolivetree.webdavserver