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That white guy who can't get a job at Tim Hortons? He's AI

57 points by pseudolus 1y ago

morkalork 1y ago
Youth unemployment in Toronto is somewhere around 20%* now; this kind of bullshit is just fanning the flames of resentment towards immigrants. * https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/youth-unemployment-is-approaching-a-boiling-point-in-ontario/ https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/youth-unempl...
- ted537 1y ago
  Yeah its very dumb stuff that people unfortunately fall for. If those flames of resentment could be redirected toward policy makers and corporations for flooding the lower-income labour market and away from those who took the opportunity, that'd be great.
  - righthand 1y ago
    So we make AI bots that do that? I am not one for war but it seems like the corporate and political worlds want everything to descend into AI spamming for whatever cause.
  - potato3732842 1y ago
    There's some weapons grade irony in saying that the lower class people "fell for it" when the misdeeds of the past decades got us here were bought and paid for in large part with the political will of the middle and upper middle classes who "fell for it"
- lostmsu 1y ago
  That's including 15-19yo at least half of which should still be studying.
- mcphage 1y ago
  Does that include kids in high school or college?
- tharmas 1y ago
  The anger should be directed at the politicians who implemented this policy, not the immigrants.
dogleash 1y ago
>Marketing experts say it's deceptive and unethical. So, standard marketing. Got it. What sets these videos apart is that they are impalatable to the status quo. You can describe why these videos are wrong and I'll agree with you. But wrong is unfortunately irrelevant. One could say that the marketers failed to understand the audience. I think they targeted a lowbrow segment quite effectively. See the fact anyone is talking about this. Their failure was misunderstanding the boundaries of sleaze that would slide under the radar. No not the race baiting either, there's plenty more of that on TikTok (much more egregious too). By tying this race baiting specifically to Tim's there was someone uniquely situated against it. And no, Tim's doesn't care about racism either, it's the damage to Tim's reputation. But Tim is in a bind. They can't get their social media team to make a low-brow response to counter the original message. Imagine the reputation damage if the press got ahold of THAT. Therefore Tim calls on the CBC to write a press release on their behalf that Tim is not racist and to perpetuate retaliatory damage against anyone who would sully the name of a great Canadian institution.
- advisedwang 1y ago
  These aren't "impalpable to the status quo". They are misleading people and will result in policy based on fantasy. It will do real harm to real people.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
joemazerino 1y ago
"..because it wasn't clear enough that they were made with AI." Having a doubt about the creation tool gives the CBC (purveyor of much misinformation itself) the pass to hand-wave anything. Perfect.
streptomycin 1y ago
He's AI, created by an Indian guy as a marketing stunt for his AI company lol
- ortusdux 1y ago
  Great way to kick of legislation against your industry lol
glonq 1y ago
It is definitely part of TikTok's mission to sow dissent in free western countries. And considering that the majority of people in those countries have lousy critical thinking skills, they'll readily believe stuff like this. That's why TikTok should be banned outright.
- potato3732842 1y ago
  Any those who did their little, blameless, or so we're led to believe, parts to create the situation in which such a message resonates so broadly bare no fault? Every person who was blanket dismissing legitimate concerns about the macroeconomic implications of immigration policy as racist has some fault here too. Though obviously that's a much tougher pill to swallow than "china bad" (edit: note, I didn't say china wasn't bad).
  - observationist 1y ago
    The West can be fraught with flaws and weaknesses and there exist bad actors taking advantage of this. This doesn't excuse the active and malicious exploitation of those flaws and weaknesses by other nations, and it doesn't somehow make continuing with the situation the logical outcome. TikTok is worse than fentanyl. Merely by using it, you're making it better at destroying time, exploiting minds like yours, and becoming more effective at the malignant uses to which it is put, whether by China, trolls, or marketing departments. YouTube isn't much better. We need regulation banning the adtech global surveillance system from harvesting data, and strict regulation limiting what can be done with data that is voluntarily shared, and how that data is secured and discarded. We've been dealing with terrible outcomes from the status quo for more than ten years; it's past time to fix it. If a company can't abide by the regulation, either due to scaling compliance or technological dependency on protected data, then the company should fail. With a sane system, the doom spiral of hyperpersuasion content factories tailoring attention sinks to individuals wouldn't be possible.
- happytoexplain 1y ago
  You believe only people with lousy critical thinking skills can be tricked by genAI?
mcphage 1y ago
> In an interview with CBC News, he said he wanted to "have fun" with the idea held by some that "Indians are taking over the job market." He says he created the "Josh" persona as a way of connecting with those who have similar views: young people just out of school who are looking for work. What the actual fuck?
- pupppet 1y ago
  Elon's knocking on his door now.
deepfriedchokes 1y ago
Mountainhead but irl.

57 points by pseudolus 1y ago

Youth unemployment in Toronto is somewhere around 20%* now; this kind of bullshit is just fanning the flames of resentment towards immigrants. * https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/youth-unemployment-is-approaching-a-boiling-point-in-ontario/ https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/youth-unempl...

ted537 1y ago
Yeah its very dumb stuff that people unfortunately fall for. If those flames of resentment could be redirected toward policy makers and corporations for flooding the lower-income labour market and away from those who took the opportunity, that'd be great.
- righthand 1y ago
  So we make AI bots that do that? I am not one for war but it seems like the corporate and political worlds want everything to descend into AI spamming for whatever cause.
- potato3732842 1y ago
  There's some weapons grade irony in saying that the lower class people "fell for it" when the misdeeds of the past decades got us here were bought and paid for in large part with the political will of the middle and upper middle classes who "fell for it"
lostmsu 1y ago
That's including 15-19yo at least half of which should still be studying.
mcphage 1y ago
Does that include kids in high school or college?
tharmas 1y ago
The anger should be directed at the politicians who implemented this policy, not the immigrants.

dogleash 1y ago

>Marketing experts say it's deceptive and unethical. So, standard marketing. Got it. What sets these videos apart is that they are impalatable to the status quo. You can describe why these videos are wrong and I'll agree with you. But wrong is unfortunately irrelevant. One could say that the marketers failed to understand the audience. I think they targeted a lowbrow segment quite effectively. See the fact anyone is talking about this. Their failure was misunderstanding the boundaries of sleaze that would slide under the radar. No not the race baiting either, there's plenty more of that on TikTok (much more egregious too). By tying this race baiting specifically to Tim's there was someone uniquely situated against it. And no, Tim's doesn't care about racism either, it's the damage to Tim's reputation. But Tim is in a bind. They can't get their social media team to make a low-brow response to counter the original message. Imagine the reputation damage if the press got ahold of THAT. Therefore Tim calls on the CBC to write a press release on their behalf that Tim is not racist and to perpetuate retaliatory damage against anyone who would sully the name of a great Canadian institution.

advisedwang 1y ago
These aren't "impalpable to the status quo". They are misleading people and will result in policy based on fantasy. It will do real harm to real people.
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]

joemazerino 1y ago

"..because it wasn't clear enough that they were made with AI." Having a doubt about the creation tool gives the CBC (purveyor of much misinformation itself) the pass to hand-wave anything. Perfect.

streptomycin 1y ago

He's AI, created by an Indian guy as a marketing stunt for his AI company lol

ortusdux 1y ago
Great way to kick of legislation against your industry lol

glonq 1y ago

It is definitely part of TikTok's mission to sow dissent in free western countries. And considering that the majority of people in those countries have lousy critical thinking skills, they'll readily believe stuff like this. That's why TikTok should be banned outright.

potato3732842 1y ago
Any those who did their little, blameless, or so we're led to believe, parts to create the situation in which such a message resonates so broadly bare no fault? Every person who was blanket dismissing legitimate concerns about the macroeconomic implications of immigration policy as racist has some fault here too. Though obviously that's a much tougher pill to swallow than "china bad" (edit: note, I didn't say china wasn't bad).
- observationist 1y ago
  The West can be fraught with flaws and weaknesses and there exist bad actors taking advantage of this. This doesn't excuse the active and malicious exploitation of those flaws and weaknesses by other nations, and it doesn't somehow make continuing with the situation the logical outcome. TikTok is worse than fentanyl. Merely by using it, you're making it better at destroying time, exploiting minds like yours, and becoming more effective at the malignant uses to which it is put, whether by China, trolls, or marketing departments. YouTube isn't much better. We need regulation banning the adtech global surveillance system from harvesting data, and strict regulation limiting what can be done with data that is voluntarily shared, and how that data is secured and discarded. We've been dealing with terrible outcomes from the status quo for more than ten years; it's past time to fix it. If a company can't abide by the regulation, either due to scaling compliance or technological dependency on protected data, then the company should fail. With a sane system, the doom spiral of hyperpersuasion content factories tailoring attention sinks to individuals wouldn't be possible.
happytoexplain 1y ago
You believe only people with lousy critical thinking skills can be tricked by genAI?

mcphage 1y ago

> In an interview with CBC News, he said he wanted to "have fun" with the idea held by some that "Indians are taking over the job market." He says he created the "Josh" persona as a way of connecting with those who have similar views: young people just out of school who are looking for work. What the actual fuck?

pupppet 1y ago
Elon's knocking on his door now.

deepfriedchokes 1y ago

Mountainhead but irl.