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On windows you have to apply "a few tweaks" just to get the start bar to stop showing advertising and work as it should. Windows users in the modern day have to

by fao_ 1y ago

On windows you have to apply "a few tweaks" just to get the start bar to stop showing advertising and work as it should. Windows users in the modern day have to do way more tweaks than Linux users do just to get a functional and unobtrusive operating system.

pjmlp 1y ago
Which Linux users, from the myriad of Dritrowach rankings? And no, many normies use Windows just as out of factory, as anyone that has had to fix the cousin's computer during a holidays visit is well aware.
- graemep 1y ago
  > And no, many normies use Windows just as out of factory Which means they do not "get a functional and unobtrusive operating system." My experience of Windows users is that if they do not know how to tweak it, they complain about it. > Which Linux users, from the myriad of Dritrowach rankings? Any of them
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    A functional and unobtrusive OS, is one where people focus on doing work, instead of tweaking the OS to enable a beamer. I would like to see someone using Kali Linux for a DAW, without issues, it is any of them, after all.
    - fao_ 1y ago
      > I would like to see someone using Kali Linux for a DAW, without issues, it is any of them, after all. Why would you use Kali Linux for a DAW? It's designed for penetration testing. Most linux distributions ship pipewire which handles everything that Jack, ALSA, and Pulseaudio does, including many of the advanced low latency features. Moreover, it's no longer required to recompile Linux to get the realtime features, that ships by default these days. Hell, Pop_OS! has better support for my headphones than Windows ever had. Windows decided that 1% should be "excruciatingly loud and unlistenable", whereas in Linux it shows me the interfaces available and lets me select a different audio routing.
      - pjmlp 1y ago
        Confused over here, wasn't the answer "any of them"?!?
        fao_ 1y ago
        That wasn't my answer, pay attention to people's username ;) You haven't responded to the rest of my post, and your response of "If I can't do it on Kali Linux then it isn't possible because the poster said any Linux distro" honestly leads me to believe you're more interested in nitpicking arguments to "win", rather than debating and understanding. But, I'm going to be generous with my time and energy here and answer nonetheless. In response to "Which distro?", literally any of the general purpose ones that have an update of this year. Whatever distros come up when you type how to move from windows to linux into google. A quick search shows that Linux Mint and Zorin are kind of favoured in articles. But hell, Pop_OS!, Fedora, Ubuntu, whatever. You're probably not going to turn Kali or Puppy Linux into a perfect DAW environment without a lot of tweaking, but a simple google shows a bunch of suggested distributions that would work fine, and a specialist search of "linux distributions for audio production" would get you a better selection. None of these distributions you generally have to tweak a whole bunch, at least any more than you would have to tweak windows 11 to get it working right without advertising in the desktop (lmao). We are a long way away from having to deal with Pulseaudio, Pipewire was feature complete for general purpose use in 2021 before it even hit 1.0, and almost all distributions now ship it, that's how much of an improvement to the Linux audio stack it is. Linux audio is good enough now that big audio companies like e.g. Presonus, are now supporting Linux: https://support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/articles/19214558269581-Linux-Getting-Started https://support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/articles/1921455826958... And tools like VCV Rack work OOTB on Linux, I even got an Interesting copy of Renoise running in WINE out of the box. If you want to see a considered opinion on Linux for audio production, here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idcGxMFwvv8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idcGxMFwvv8 There's a whole bunch more, too. A good bunch of these work on Linux, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8HvTr_q2Yw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8HvTr_q2Yw (Although you'd be better off with Ardour, which is listed)
        1y ago
- spookie 1y ago
  Just try to count the amount of people trying to fix the goddamn context menu (right click) by going into the registry or god forbid the command line. Windows is as constant of a PITA as Linux. But alas, these criticisms are never taken seriously.
- fao_ 1y ago
  Things got a bit deep into the discussion there for a minute so I'm lifting it out > Your lengthy response is a good example of Linux forums, that eventually I got tired to visit, though. It takes four times as much writing to refute bullshit as it does to write it. My system works out of the box with basically no Tweaking other than clicking "install" on a bunch of things in the software installer. Meanwhile Windows complaints that I have seen in the last few months from people in communities I am in: "Is there any way to get windows to stop updating applications at random times? I have bad internet so if I'm trying to play games it lags me out in the middle of a match all the time" "On Windows it seems like every app has a background task when I boot up that lets it do what it wants regardless of if I want it to" "(misc comments about Windows 11 blocking Google Chrome)" "I love Taskbar Tweaker but it errors on startup saying it can't load libraries and doesn't support windows 11, and won't work, and then I click ok and it works" "Why is destiny 2 not using my GPU? I had to manually go through and select it to use my GPU lol" "I want to play sims 2 but it doesn't work under windows 11 and I don't want to install a bunch of modding tools to get it to work, but VMWare/Virtualbox doesn't work because you can't do hardware acceleration without disabling a bunch of Windows bullshit" (The Sims 2 works out of the box on Wine and is rated Platinum on ProtonDB: https://www.protondb.com/app/3314070 https://www.protondb.com/app/3314070 ) "It is possible to keep the non-ai subscription to Office 365, but they hide it (link to article explaining how to tweak Windows)" From what I've seen, Windows users tweak that shit just to get it to work normally, way more than I have ever had to touch my OS. Many of these things JustWork on Linux or are not problems.

by fao_ 1y ago

pjmlp 1y ago

Which Linux users, from the myriad of Dritrowach rankings? And no, many normies use Windows just as out of factory, as anyone that has had to fix the cousin's computer during a holidays visit is well aware.

graemep 1y ago
> And no, many normies use Windows just as out of factory Which means they do not "get a functional and unobtrusive operating system." My experience of Windows users is that if they do not know how to tweak it, they complain about it. > Which Linux users, from the myriad of Dritrowach rankings? Any of them
- pjmlp 1y ago
  A functional and unobtrusive OS, is one where people focus on doing work, instead of tweaking the OS to enable a beamer. I would like to see someone using Kali Linux for a DAW, without issues, it is any of them, after all.
  - fao_ 1y ago
    > I would like to see someone using Kali Linux for a DAW, without issues, it is any of them, after all. Why would you use Kali Linux for a DAW? It's designed for penetration testing. Most linux distributions ship pipewire which handles everything that Jack, ALSA, and Pulseaudio does, including many of the advanced low latency features. Moreover, it's no longer required to recompile Linux to get the realtime features, that ships by default these days. Hell, Pop_OS! has better support for my headphones than Windows ever had. Windows decided that 1% should be "excruciatingly loud and unlistenable", whereas in Linux it shows me the interfaces available and lets me select a different audio routing.
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      Confused over here, wasn't the answer "any of them"?!?
      - fao_ 1y ago
        That wasn't my answer, pay attention to people's username ;) You haven't responded to the rest of my post, and your response of "If I can't do it on Kali Linux then it isn't possible because the poster said any Linux distro" honestly leads me to believe you're more interested in nitpicking arguments to "win", rather than debating and understanding. But, I'm going to be generous with my time and energy here and answer nonetheless. In response to "Which distro?", literally any of the general purpose ones that have an update of this year. Whatever distros come up when you type how to move from windows to linux into google. A quick search shows that Linux Mint and Zorin are kind of favoured in articles. But hell, Pop_OS!, Fedora, Ubuntu, whatever. You're probably not going to turn Kali or Puppy Linux into a perfect DAW environment without a lot of tweaking, but a simple google shows a bunch of suggested distributions that would work fine, and a specialist search of "linux distributions for audio production" would get you a better selection. None of these distributions you generally have to tweak a whole bunch, at least any more than you would have to tweak windows 11 to get it working right without advertising in the desktop (lmao). We are a long way away from having to deal with Pulseaudio, Pipewire was feature complete for general purpose use in 2021 before it even hit 1.0, and almost all distributions now ship it, that's how much of an improvement to the Linux audio stack it is. Linux audio is good enough now that big audio companies like e.g. Presonus, are now supporting Linux: https://support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/articles/19214558269581-Linux-Getting-Started https://support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/articles/1921455826958... And tools like VCV Rack work OOTB on Linux, I even got an Interesting copy of Renoise running in WINE out of the box. If you want to see a considered opinion on Linux for audio production, here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idcGxMFwvv8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idcGxMFwvv8 There's a whole bunch more, too. A good bunch of these work on Linux, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8HvTr_q2Yw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8HvTr_q2Yw (Although you'd be better off with Ardour, which is listed)
        1y ago
spookie 1y ago
Just try to count the amount of people trying to fix the goddamn context menu (right click) by going into the registry or god forbid the command line. Windows is as constant of a PITA as Linux. But alas, these criticisms are never taken seriously.
fao_ 1y ago
Things got a bit deep into the discussion there for a minute so I'm lifting it out > Your lengthy response is a good example of Linux forums, that eventually I got tired to visit, though. It takes four times as much writing to refute bullshit as it does to write it. My system works out of the box with basically no Tweaking other than clicking "install" on a bunch of things in the software installer. Meanwhile Windows complaints that I have seen in the last few months from people in communities I am in: "Is there any way to get windows to stop updating applications at random times? I have bad internet so if I'm trying to play games it lags me out in the middle of a match all the time" "On Windows it seems like every app has a background task when I boot up that lets it do what it wants regardless of if I want it to" "(misc comments about Windows 11 blocking Google Chrome)" "I love Taskbar Tweaker but it errors on startup saying it can't load libraries and doesn't support windows 11, and won't work, and then I click ok and it works" "Why is destiny 2 not using my GPU? I had to manually go through and select it to use my GPU lol" "I want to play sims 2 but it doesn't work under windows 11 and I don't want to install a bunch of modding tools to get it to work, but VMWare/Virtualbox doesn't work because you can't do hardware acceleration without disabling a bunch of Windows bullshit" (The Sims 2 works out of the box on Wine and is rated Platinum on ProtonDB: https://www.protondb.com/app/3314070 https://www.protondb.com/app/3314070 ) "It is possible to keep the non-ai subscription to Office 365, but they hide it (link to article explaining how to tweak Windows)" From what I've seen, Windows users tweak that shit just to get it to work normally, way more than I have ever had to touch my OS. Many of these things JustWork on Linux or are not problems.