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The entire point of programming is that (barring hardware failure and compiler bugs) the computer will always do exactly what it's told New AI tech is not like

The entire point of programming is that (barring hardware failure and compiler bugs) the computer will always do exactly what it's told New AI tech is not like regular programming we had before. Now we have fuzzy inputs, fuzzy outputs

lou1306 1y ago
Given our spectacular inability to make "regular" programs secure in the absence of all that fuzziness, I don't know if it's a good idea.
- koakuma-chan 1y ago
  > Given our spectacular inability to make "regular" programs secure in the absence of all that fuzziness "our" - *base users? I only hear about *base apps shipping tokens in client code or not having auth checks on the server, or whatever
  - lou1306 1y ago
    I just meant very generally that we (humans) are still struggling to make regular programs secure, we built decades worth of infrastructures (langages, protocols, networks) where security was simply not a concern and we are still reckoning with that. Jumping head first into an entire new "paradigm" (for lack of a better word) where you can bend a clueless, yet powerful servant to do your evil bidding sounds like a recipe for... interesting times.
- docsaintly 1y ago
  We are talking about binary computers here, there is no such thing as a "fuzzy" input or a "fuzzy" output. The fact is that these MCPs are allowed to bypass all existing and well-functioning security barriers, and we cross our fingers and hope they won't be manipulated into giving more information than the previous security barriers would have allowed. It's a bad idea that people are running with due to the hype.
ep103 1y ago
> Now we have fuzzy inputs, fuzzy outputs _For this implementation, our engineers chose_ to have fuzzy inputs, fuzzy outputs There, fixed that for you
b00ty4breakfast 1y ago
>Now we have fuzzy inputs, fuzzy outputs I concede that I don't work in industry so maybe I'm just dumb and this is actually really useful but this seems like the exact opposite of what I would want out of my computer about 99.98% of the time.
- ttoinou 1y ago
  Really ? Anytime you search on Google you make a fuzzy request with multiple interpretations possible and multiple results valid
  - b00ty4breakfast 1y ago
    This would certainly explain why I've found using search engines over the past decade or so to be extremely frustrating and intuitive but, again, I am a self-admitted doodoodumdum so maybe I just don't know what I'm doing
congaliminal 1y ago
Fuzzy logic is not new. What is new is calling data corruption and nonsense output "fuzzy".
gpderetta 1y ago
GIGO

lou1306 1y ago

Given our spectacular inability to make "regular" programs secure in the absence of all that fuzziness, I don't know if it's a good idea.

koakuma-chan 1y ago
> Given our spectacular inability to make "regular" programs secure in the absence of all that fuzziness "our" - *base users? I only hear about *base apps shipping tokens in client code or not having auth checks on the server, or whatever
- lou1306 1y ago
  I just meant very generally that we (humans) are still struggling to make regular programs secure, we built decades worth of infrastructures (langages, protocols, networks) where security was simply not a concern and we are still reckoning with that. Jumping head first into an entire new "paradigm" (for lack of a better word) where you can bend a clueless, yet powerful servant to do your evil bidding sounds like a recipe for... interesting times.
docsaintly 1y ago
We are talking about binary computers here, there is no such thing as a "fuzzy" input or a "fuzzy" output. The fact is that these MCPs are allowed to bypass all existing and well-functioning security barriers, and we cross our fingers and hope they won't be manipulated into giving more information than the previous security barriers would have allowed. It's a bad idea that people are running with due to the hype.

ep103 1y ago

> Now we have fuzzy inputs, fuzzy outputs _For this implementation, our engineers chose_ to have fuzzy inputs, fuzzy outputs There, fixed that for you

b00ty4breakfast 1y ago

>Now we have fuzzy inputs, fuzzy outputs I concede that I don't work in industry so maybe I'm just dumb and this is actually really useful but this seems like the exact opposite of what I would want out of my computer about 99.98% of the time.

ttoinou 1y ago
Really ? Anytime you search on Google you make a fuzzy request with multiple interpretations possible and multiple results valid
- b00ty4breakfast 1y ago
  This would certainly explain why I've found using search engines over the past decade or so to be extremely frustrating and intuitive but, again, I am a self-admitted doodoodumdum so maybe I just don't know what I'm doing

congaliminal 1y ago

Fuzzy logic is not new. What is new is calling data corruption and nonsense output "fuzzy".

gpderetta 1y ago

GIGO