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OOC, what were the frustrations about? I jumped ship as soon as Ubuntu started shipping with Unity. For me, as a moderate power-user, it's been pretty smooth sa

OOC, what were the frustrations about? I jumped ship as soon as Ubuntu started shipping with Unity. For me, as a moderate power-user, it's been pretty smooth sailing so far.

qn9n 1y ago
I think that's the issue, you're a moderate power user so feature discoverability is more natural to you. I guess the issues his family had were related to things not functioning how Windows or macOS does (although Mint is pretty Windows focused) hopefully Zorin is much more user-friendly to casual users.
pjmlp 1y ago
As someone that nowadays lives mostly on Windows, and uses Linux since kernel 1.0.9 days, Unity DE was so much better experience than GNOME will ever be again. After Unity got removed from Ubuntu as default DE, I eventually adopted XFCE.
- dontlaugh 1y ago
  I also enjoyed Unity, we're in a minority. But I've found Ubuntu with Gnome 46 and a few tweaks to offer most of what I like about Unity (and macOS).
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    The "few tweaks" is exactly the problem.
    - dontlaugh 1y ago
      It's not ideal, but it was all either in the Ubuntu panel options or in gnome-tweaks. I did that once and I don't have to think about it again.
    - fao_ 1y ago
      On windows you have to apply "a few tweaks" just to get the start bar to stop showing advertising and work as it should. Windows users in the modern day have to do way more tweaks than Linux users do just to get a functional and unobtrusive operating system.
      - pjmlp 1y ago
        Which Linux users, from the myriad of Dritrowach rankings? And no, many normies use Windows just as out of factory, as anyone that has had to fix the cousin's computer during a holidays visit is well aware.
        graemep 1y ago
        > And no, many normies use Windows just as out of factory Which means they do not "get a functional and unobtrusive operating system." My experience of Windows users is that if they do not know how to tweak it, they complain about it. > Which Linux users, from the myriad of Dritrowach rankings? Any of them
        pjmlp 1y ago
        A functional and unobtrusive OS, is one where people focus on doing work, instead of tweaking the OS to enable a beamer. I would like to see someone using Kali Linux for a DAW, without issues, it is any of them, after all.
        fao_ 1y ago
        > I would like to see someone using Kali Linux for a DAW, without issues, it is any of them, after all. Why would you use Kali Linux for a DAW? It's designed for penetration testing. Most linux distributions ship pipewire which handles everything that Jack, ALSA, and Pulseaudio does, including many of the advanced low latency features. Moreover, it's no longer required to recompile Linux to get the realtime features, that ships by default these days. Hell, Pop_OS! has better support for my headphones than Windows ever had. Windows decided that 1% should be "excruciatingly loud and unlistenable", whereas in Linux it shows me the interfaces available and lets me select a different audio routing.

OOC, what were the frustrations about? I jumped ship as soon as Ubuntu started shipping with Unity. For me, as a moderate power-user, it's been pretty smooth sailing so far.

qn9n 1y ago

I think that's the issue, you're a moderate power user so feature discoverability is more natural to you. I guess the issues his family had were related to things not functioning how Windows or macOS does (although Mint is pretty Windows focused) hopefully Zorin is much more user-friendly to casual users.

pjmlp 1y ago

As someone that nowadays lives mostly on Windows, and uses Linux since kernel 1.0.9 days, Unity DE was so much better experience than GNOME will ever be again. After Unity got removed from Ubuntu as default DE, I eventually adopted XFCE.

dontlaugh 1y ago
I also enjoyed Unity, we're in a minority. But I've found Ubuntu with Gnome 46 and a few tweaks to offer most of what I like about Unity (and macOS).
- pjmlp 1y ago
  The "few tweaks" is exactly the problem.
  - dontlaugh 1y ago
    It's not ideal, but it was all either in the Ubuntu panel options or in gnome-tweaks. I did that once and I don't have to think about it again.
  - fao_ 1y ago
    On windows you have to apply "a few tweaks" just to get the start bar to stop showing advertising and work as it should. Windows users in the modern day have to do way more tweaks than Linux users do just to get a functional and unobtrusive operating system.
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      Which Linux users, from the myriad of Dritrowach rankings? And no, many normies use Windows just as out of factory, as anyone that has had to fix the cousin's computer during a holidays visit is well aware.
      - graemep 1y ago
        > And no, many normies use Windows just as out of factory Which means they do not "get a functional and unobtrusive operating system." My experience of Windows users is that if they do not know how to tweak it, they complain about it. > Which Linux users, from the myriad of Dritrowach rankings? Any of them
        pjmlp 1y ago
        A functional and unobtrusive OS, is one where people focus on doing work, instead of tweaking the OS to enable a beamer. I would like to see someone using Kali Linux for a DAW, without issues, it is any of them, after all.
        fao_ 1y ago
        > I would like to see someone using Kali Linux for a DAW, without issues, it is any of them, after all. Why would you use Kali Linux for a DAW? It's designed for penetration testing. Most linux distributions ship pipewire which handles everything that Jack, ALSA, and Pulseaudio does, including many of the advanced low latency features. Moreover, it's no longer required to recompile Linux to get the realtime features, that ships by default these days. Hell, Pop_OS! has better support for my headphones than Windows ever had. Windows decided that 1% should be "excruciatingly loud and unlistenable", whereas in Linux it shows me the interfaces available and lets me select a different audio routing.