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It is inconvenience for all, with at best minimal benefits, but it makes couple of bureaucrats and greens feel good about themselves. People are upset because i

It is inconvenience for all, with at best minimal benefits, but it makes couple of bureaucrats and greens feel good about themselves. People are upset because it shows Brussels disfunction in a nutshell.

perching_aix 1y ago
But it really isn't that inconvenient at all, and some of the caps are outright better now than the crap that preceded them. Bit like how the toilet water use regulations turned out. I even find myself vaguely annoyed now whenever I drink from glass bottles, that those caps are loose. > People are upset because it shows Brussels disfunction Reminds me to that meme where the debated point is what OS is better, and the conclusion is that normal people don't talk about operating systems. The only people I ever hear mention Brussels unprompted are rightwing grifters.
- blub 1y ago
  I didn’t know this was an EU regulation, but if it is, it’s utterly dumb. The new lids are harder for kids to use, bother you when drinking, get in the way when pouring and are a general nuisance.
  - saubeidl 1y ago
    > bother you when drinking, get in the way when pouring How? Just rotate it by 90 degrees. It's really not that hard, and in return you will never lose a cap again and we reduce litter by quite a bit. It's a pretty good trade-off imo.
    - blub 1y ago
      I never lost a cap in my life, people don’t “lose” them, they throw them away. It bothers because it pulls back towards the bottle and presses on your mouth. Or if you use force to open it at 180, then it doesn’t screw back on properly because the plastic is bent and holds it in a wrong position. So again force is needed for something which used to be ridiculously easy. As I said, kids don’t manage that well. For adults, it’s one more little irritant.
  - dzhiurgis 1y ago
    You allow your kids to drink from plastic bottles?
    - blub 1y ago
      Not allowing them is a nice theoretical approach that completely fails in the real world.
- menaerus 1y ago
  It's a taxpayer's money so why wouldn't the taxpayers have a point if they think that their money is not spent best and, in the context of the global situation, not really efficient at all in making the quality of life of EU citizens any better? To paraphrase this differently: if I as an investor gave you 100M EUR and 24 months, would you be happy to spend it for changing a frigging cap on the bottle or would you rather invest that money and time+people resources on something else?
  - perching_aix 1y ago
    > It's a taxpayer's money so why wouldn't the taxpayers have a point if they think that their money is not spent best Not what I said. > in the context of the global situation, not really efficient at all in making the quality of life of EU citizens any better? Why would all decisions have to be this massively efficient slamdunk of an idea? Things can even be downright specifically bad yet still be generally useful in the grand scheme of things. Things can also be just kind of a stinker sometimes. You don't normally skewer something large over a minor issue. Critique is fine, but then "I don't like it" doesn't hold much weight, certainly not more than "well I do". > would you rather invest that money and time+people resources on something else? Are the levers I can and am expected to pull on the same as the EU? I don't think so.
    - menaerus 1y ago
      > Not what I said. It's exactly what you were questioning and which is why I gave you the concrete example why people get attached to this particular non-problem. As for the rest of your comment, I think it went a little bit over your head.
      - perching_aix 1y ago
        > It's exactly what you were questioning My remark about most people who bring up Brussels unprompted being rightwing grifters really was just that, and nothing else. It is not lost on me that like anything, they can and should be critiqued as well. It's just not really being done, and when it is done, it's usually coming from a place of ulterior motives and ill faith (for now), and so is fairly uncommon. So it's a strange thing to claim that that's what "people think of". No it isn't, not unless you're in the aforementioned circles, which is not the general populace at all.
saubeidl 1y ago
It's a huge convenience. I used to always misplace bottle caps and spend some time looking for them. Now I don't. I don't get why people don't like it.
wiseowise 1y ago
> It is inconvenience for all Are you 80 or something? It takes two tries to adjust and understand that it is much superior to unattached cap. The whole thing is a big meme to make fun of EU, because there’s barely anything else to complain about.

perching_aix 1y ago

But it really isn't that inconvenient at all, and some of the caps are outright better now than the crap that preceded them. Bit like how the toilet water use regulations turned out. I even find myself vaguely annoyed now whenever I drink from glass bottles, that those caps are loose. > People are upset because it shows Brussels disfunction Reminds me to that meme where the debated point is what OS is better, and the conclusion is that normal people don't talk about operating systems. The only people I ever hear mention Brussels unprompted are rightwing grifters.

blub 1y ago
I didn’t know this was an EU regulation, but if it is, it’s utterly dumb. The new lids are harder for kids to use, bother you when drinking, get in the way when pouring and are a general nuisance.
- saubeidl 1y ago
  > bother you when drinking, get in the way when pouring How? Just rotate it by 90 degrees. It's really not that hard, and in return you will never lose a cap again and we reduce litter by quite a bit. It's a pretty good trade-off imo.
  - blub 1y ago
    I never lost a cap in my life, people don’t “lose” them, they throw them away. It bothers because it pulls back towards the bottle and presses on your mouth. Or if you use force to open it at 180, then it doesn’t screw back on properly because the plastic is bent and holds it in a wrong position. So again force is needed for something which used to be ridiculously easy. As I said, kids don’t manage that well. For adults, it’s one more little irritant.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  You allow your kids to drink from plastic bottles?
  - blub 1y ago
    Not allowing them is a nice theoretical approach that completely fails in the real world.
menaerus 1y ago
It's a taxpayer's money so why wouldn't the taxpayers have a point if they think that their money is not spent best and, in the context of the global situation, not really efficient at all in making the quality of life of EU citizens any better? To paraphrase this differently: if I as an investor gave you 100M EUR and 24 months, would you be happy to spend it for changing a frigging cap on the bottle or would you rather invest that money and time+people resources on something else?
- perching_aix 1y ago
  > It's a taxpayer's money so why wouldn't the taxpayers have a point if they think that their money is not spent best Not what I said. > in the context of the global situation, not really efficient at all in making the quality of life of EU citizens any better? Why would all decisions have to be this massively efficient slamdunk of an idea? Things can even be downright specifically bad yet still be generally useful in the grand scheme of things. Things can also be just kind of a stinker sometimes. You don't normally skewer something large over a minor issue. Critique is fine, but then "I don't like it" doesn't hold much weight, certainly not more than "well I do". > would you rather invest that money and time+people resources on something else? Are the levers I can and am expected to pull on the same as the EU? I don't think so.
  - menaerus 1y ago
    > Not what I said. It's exactly what you were questioning and which is why I gave you the concrete example why people get attached to this particular non-problem. As for the rest of your comment, I think it went a little bit over your head.
    - perching_aix 1y ago
      > It's exactly what you were questioning My remark about most people who bring up Brussels unprompted being rightwing grifters really was just that, and nothing else. It is not lost on me that like anything, they can and should be critiqued as well. It's just not really being done, and when it is done, it's usually coming from a place of ulterior motives and ill faith (for now), and so is fairly uncommon. So it's a strange thing to claim that that's what "people think of". No it isn't, not unless you're in the aforementioned circles, which is not the general populace at all.

saubeidl 1y ago

It's a huge convenience. I used to always misplace bottle caps and spend some time looking for them. Now I don't. I don't get why people don't like it.

wiseowise 1y ago

> It is inconvenience for all Are you 80 or something? It takes two tries to adjust and understand that it is much superior to unattached cap. The whole thing is a big meme to make fun of EU, because there’s barely anything else to complain about.