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Probably a bad idea. The big economies of the eurozone have been in constant stagnation for the last 15 years. To me it seems that Bulgaria has jumped on Titani

Probably a bad idea. The big economies of the eurozone have been in constant stagnation for the last 15 years. To me it seems that Bulgaria has jumped on Titanic on Qweenstown. I do hope that I am wrong, but those are the same people that made the plastic caps permanently attached to the bottles.

perching_aix 1y ago
> but those are the same people that made the plastic caps permanently attached to the bottles It's still hilarious to me how upset people are at this (or at least pretend to be).
- ReptileMan 1y ago
  It is inconvenience for all, with at best minimal benefits, but it makes couple of bureaucrats and greens feel good about themselves. People are upset because it shows Brussels disfunction in a nutshell.
  - perching_aix 1y ago
    But it really isn't that inconvenient at all, and some of the caps are outright better now than the crap that preceded them. Bit like how the toilet water use regulations turned out. I even find myself vaguely annoyed now whenever I drink from glass bottles, that those caps are loose. > People are upset because it shows Brussels disfunction Reminds me to that meme where the debated point is what OS is better, and the conclusion is that normal people don't talk about operating systems. The only people I ever hear mention Brussels unprompted are rightwing grifters.
    - blub 1y ago
      I didn’t know this was an EU regulation, but if it is, it’s utterly dumb. The new lids are harder for kids to use, bother you when drinking, get in the way when pouring and are a general nuisance.
      - saubeidl 1y ago
        > bother you when drinking, get in the way when pouring How? Just rotate it by 90 degrees. It's really not that hard, and in return you will never lose a cap again and we reduce litter by quite a bit. It's a pretty good trade-off imo.
        blub 1y ago
        I never lost a cap in my life, people don’t “lose” them, they throw them away. It bothers because it pulls back towards the bottle and presses on your mouth. Or if you use force to open it at 180, then it doesn’t screw back on properly because the plastic is bent and holds it in a wrong position. So again force is needed for something which used to be ridiculously easy. As I said, kids don’t manage that well. For adults, it’s one more little irritant.
      - dzhiurgis 1y ago
        You allow your kids to drink from plastic bottles?
        blub 1y ago
        Not allowing them is a nice theoretical approach that completely fails in the real world.
    - menaerus 1y ago
      It's a taxpayer's money so why wouldn't the taxpayers have a point if they think that their money is not spent best and, in the context of the global situation, not really efficient at all in making the quality of life of EU citizens any better? To paraphrase this differently: if I as an investor gave you 100M EUR and 24 months, would you be happy to spend it for changing a frigging cap on the bottle or would you rather invest that money and time+people resources on something else?
      - perching_aix 1y ago
        > It's a taxpayer's money so why wouldn't the taxpayers have a point if they think that their money is not spent best Not what I said. > in the context of the global situation, not really efficient at all in making the quality of life of EU citizens any better? Why would all decisions have to be this massively efficient slamdunk of an idea? Things can even be downright specifically bad yet still be generally useful in the grand scheme of things. Things can also be just kind of a stinker sometimes. You don't normally skewer something large over a minor issue. Critique is fine, but then "I don't like it" doesn't hold much weight, certainly not more than "well I do". > would you rather invest that money and time+people resources on something else? Are the levers I can and am expected to pull on the same as the EU? I don't think so.
        menaerus 1y ago
        > Not what I said. It's exactly what you were questioning and which is why I gave you the concrete example why people get attached to this particular non-problem. As for the rest of your comment, I think it went a little bit over your head.
        perching_aix 1y ago
        > It's exactly what you were questioning My remark about most people who bring up Brussels unprompted being rightwing grifters really was just that, and nothing else. It is not lost on me that like anything, they can and should be critiqued as well. It's just not really being done, and when it is done, it's usually coming from a place of ulterior motives and ill faith (for now), and so is fairly uncommon. So it's a strange thing to claim that that's what "people think of". No it isn't, not unless you're in the aforementioned circles, which is not the general populace at all.
  - saubeidl 1y ago
    It's a huge convenience. I used to always misplace bottle caps and spend some time looking for them. Now I don't. I don't get why people don't like it.
  - wiseowise 1y ago
    > It is inconvenience for all Are you 80 or something? It takes two tries to adjust and understand that it is much superior to unattached cap. The whole thing is a big meme to make fun of EU, because there’s barely anything else to complain about.
- debesyla 1y ago
  Have you even been in the parks and forests before, haha? :-D At least in Lithuania there were lots of caps lost - half of cleaning up the parks time was bending to pick out caps out of the dirt. Not anymore. It's similar to free plastic bags or deposit system for bottles. Inconvenience is so tiny that no person genuinely complain about that (not for social karma/attention), but economically when there were millions of bags and half a million bottles sold every day... To put it into HN-themed metaphor, reducing error log verbosity matters too, when you have millions of lines.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  My question is - who is buying all these drinks? I haven't bought anything in plastic bottle for years. Most drinks are either glass or cans.
  - perching_aix 1y ago
    Milk cartons also have plastic caps for example, despite being primarily made out of paper. But just because you don't drink soft drinks or bottled mineral water much, doesn't mean others don't either.
decimalenough 1y ago
Which is a bad idea because...?
- ReptileMan 1y ago
  >The big economies of the eurozone have been in constant stagnation for the last 15 years. Eurozone doesn't know how to manage the economy successfully. The euro has been a failure. We went from somewhat parity with the US in 2006 to lagging quite behind them 20 years later.
  - decimalenough 1y ago
    I was referring to the caps being attached to bottles part. Also, a strong currency does not equate to a strong or well-managed economy. (Unless you're Donald Trump.)
  - wiseowise 1y ago
    > the Euro has been a failure My bank account disagrees.

perching_aix 1y ago

> but those are the same people that made the plastic caps permanently attached to the bottles It's still hilarious to me how upset people are at this (or at least pretend to be).

ReptileMan 1y ago
It is inconvenience for all, with at best minimal benefits, but it makes couple of bureaucrats and greens feel good about themselves. People are upset because it shows Brussels disfunction in a nutshell.
- perching_aix 1y ago
  But it really isn't that inconvenient at all, and some of the caps are outright better now than the crap that preceded them. Bit like how the toilet water use regulations turned out. I even find myself vaguely annoyed now whenever I drink from glass bottles, that those caps are loose. > People are upset because it shows Brussels disfunction Reminds me to that meme where the debated point is what OS is better, and the conclusion is that normal people don't talk about operating systems. The only people I ever hear mention Brussels unprompted are rightwing grifters.
  - blub 1y ago
    I didn’t know this was an EU regulation, but if it is, it’s utterly dumb. The new lids are harder for kids to use, bother you when drinking, get in the way when pouring and are a general nuisance.
    - saubeidl 1y ago
      > bother you when drinking, get in the way when pouring How? Just rotate it by 90 degrees. It's really not that hard, and in return you will never lose a cap again and we reduce litter by quite a bit. It's a pretty good trade-off imo.
      - blub 1y ago
        I never lost a cap in my life, people don’t “lose” them, they throw them away. It bothers because it pulls back towards the bottle and presses on your mouth. Or if you use force to open it at 180, then it doesn’t screw back on properly because the plastic is bent and holds it in a wrong position. So again force is needed for something which used to be ridiculously easy. As I said, kids don’t manage that well. For adults, it’s one more little irritant.
    - dzhiurgis 1y ago
      You allow your kids to drink from plastic bottles?
      - blub 1y ago
        Not allowing them is a nice theoretical approach that completely fails in the real world.
  - menaerus 1y ago
    It's a taxpayer's money so why wouldn't the taxpayers have a point if they think that their money is not spent best and, in the context of the global situation, not really efficient at all in making the quality of life of EU citizens any better? To paraphrase this differently: if I as an investor gave you 100M EUR and 24 months, would you be happy to spend it for changing a frigging cap on the bottle or would you rather invest that money and time+people resources on something else?
    - perching_aix 1y ago
      > It's a taxpayer's money so why wouldn't the taxpayers have a point if they think that their money is not spent best Not what I said. > in the context of the global situation, not really efficient at all in making the quality of life of EU citizens any better? Why would all decisions have to be this massively efficient slamdunk of an idea? Things can even be downright specifically bad yet still be generally useful in the grand scheme of things. Things can also be just kind of a stinker sometimes. You don't normally skewer something large over a minor issue. Critique is fine, but then "I don't like it" doesn't hold much weight, certainly not more than "well I do". > would you rather invest that money and time+people resources on something else? Are the levers I can and am expected to pull on the same as the EU? I don't think so.
      - menaerus 1y ago
        > Not what I said. It's exactly what you were questioning and which is why I gave you the concrete example why people get attached to this particular non-problem. As for the rest of your comment, I think it went a little bit over your head.
        perching_aix 1y ago
        > It's exactly what you were questioning My remark about most people who bring up Brussels unprompted being rightwing grifters really was just that, and nothing else. It is not lost on me that like anything, they can and should be critiqued as well. It's just not really being done, and when it is done, it's usually coming from a place of ulterior motives and ill faith (for now), and so is fairly uncommon. So it's a strange thing to claim that that's what "people think of". No it isn't, not unless you're in the aforementioned circles, which is not the general populace at all.
- saubeidl 1y ago
  It's a huge convenience. I used to always misplace bottle caps and spend some time looking for them. Now I don't. I don't get why people don't like it.
- wiseowise 1y ago
  > It is inconvenience for all Are you 80 or something? It takes two tries to adjust and understand that it is much superior to unattached cap. The whole thing is a big meme to make fun of EU, because there’s barely anything else to complain about.
debesyla 1y ago
Have you even been in the parks and forests before, haha? :-D At least in Lithuania there were lots of caps lost - half of cleaning up the parks time was bending to pick out caps out of the dirt. Not anymore. It's similar to free plastic bags or deposit system for bottles. Inconvenience is so tiny that no person genuinely complain about that (not for social karma/attention), but economically when there were millions of bags and half a million bottles sold every day... To put it into HN-themed metaphor, reducing error log verbosity matters too, when you have millions of lines.
dzhiurgis 1y ago
My question is - who is buying all these drinks? I haven't bought anything in plastic bottle for years. Most drinks are either glass or cans.
- perching_aix 1y ago
  Milk cartons also have plastic caps for example, despite being primarily made out of paper. But just because you don't drink soft drinks or bottled mineral water much, doesn't mean others don't either.

decimalenough 1y ago

Which is a bad idea because...?

ReptileMan 1y ago
>The big economies of the eurozone have been in constant stagnation for the last 15 years. Eurozone doesn't know how to manage the economy successfully. The euro has been a failure. We went from somewhat parity with the US in 2006 to lagging quite behind them 20 years later.
- decimalenough 1y ago
  I was referring to the caps being attached to bottles part. Also, a strong currency does not equate to a strong or well-managed economy. (Unless you're Donald Trump.)
- wiseowise 1y ago
  > the Euro has been a failure My bank account disagrees.