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Seems like a failure in quality control.

by jonnycomputer 1y ago

GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
really? seems more like intended behavior.
- jonnycomputer 1y ago
  I mean, maybe, but I'm not sure I see a possible world where Musk and X benefit from behavior like this: https://x.com/grok/status/1942681404183281887 https://x.com/grok/status/1942681404183281887
  - 12_throw_away 1y ago
    You can't think of anything Musk has done that might suggest a motive here? Really?
    - jonnycomputer 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - daedrdev 1y ago
        Elon seems to be a Nazi, or his views are extremely close
        arandomusername 1y ago
        Ah yeah, because Nazis were big on importing millions of Indian workers. What views of him are actually close to Nazis? Dude loves jews even
        archagon 1y ago
        For someone who's totally not a Nazi, he sure keeps doing Nazi-adjacent things, such as calling people on government benefits part of the "parasite class" and supporting the AfD. The fact that nobody is actually shocked by Grok's new behavior should be telling.
        arandomusername 1y ago
        Yeah Nazis were against social welfare, but calling him a nazi because of that is a stretch. supporting afd does not make him a nazi, nor is afd a nazi party. Elon supports Netanyahu and Israel, a jewish state. Elon is not a socialist, nor a nationalist. Elon is more free speech (not perfect) while Nazis are big on censorship. He is opposite to Nazi idealogy in most cases, specially the most important parts
        ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
        Elon is only a fan of free speech for certain topics and certainly not for anyone critical of himself. https://observer.com/2022/12/elon-musk-suspend-twitter-account-list/ https://observer.com/2022/12/elon-musk-suspend-twitter-accou...
        arandomusername 1y ago
        Political accounts Ye (formerly Kanye West) (@kanyewest), rapper Yup, Elon is truly a nazi. I did say it's not perfect. but out of all mainstream social media platforms, twitter is the least censored
        root_axis 1y ago
        It is the most censored. It's also the only social media site where the owner personally bans and suppresses people and and posts he doesn't like. We also know that since the Elon take over, compliance with government takedowns has sharply increased.
      - Philpax 1y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy
  - GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
    what would lead you to believe that he operates under such a guideline?
  - rsynnott 1y ago
    You’re assuming that Musk, a drug addict who rants about ‘woke mind virus’es at 4am, is a rational actor here? I ask this sincerely, why do you think that?
  - jonnycomputer 1y ago
    [flagged]
- malfist 1y ago
  It's totally an accident. It's just an accident that keeps happening...for some reason
bikezen 1y ago
You mean like elons general edgelordness makes you think this wasnt intentional, or at least the intentional inclusion of what is likely a 4chan/8chan/similar corpus? What about the salute? The great white replacement theory promotion? Apartheid opinions? Allowing a mass proliferation of white nationalist and literal nazi twitter premium accounts? At some point, it has to click that musk likely shares these opinions.
- jonnycomputer 1y ago
  The fact that X is deleting these posts suggests this was unexpected and undesired behavior. Look, I get it, you hate Musk, and we all have good reasons to do it.. I'm not defending the guy. But X is business and this is bad for business.
  - martythemaniak 1y ago
    There's a tweet from Musk a week or two ago that they were specifically training Grok to be this way, it really isn't a failure. I mean, throwing nazi salutes and shutting down foreign aid and cancer research has also been bad for Tesla's business, but nevertheless he persists.
  - slg 1y ago
    The unintentional aspect is the lack of communicating in innuendo and dog whistles. Musk and his team can't keep the AI's mask from slipping off and revealing the underlying rottenness in its ideological bias, but that bias itself is completely intentional.
  - viraptor 1y ago
    > The fact that X is deleting these posts suggests this was unexpected and undesired behavior. Or they communicated what they wanted to communicate already. Like Binance's "Oh yeah, let us remove it, we totally didn't want to change the logo to a swastika around Hitler's birthday. Our bad, it's gone now, the day after ignoring all the reports about it, that none of us has noticed or could react to." (even if they didn't want to, they still communicated it given the preexisting context)
  - 1y ago
viraptor 1y ago
Obviously that goes beyond quality control, but it's also interesting that they don't have even a basic sanity checking harness before releases. Like a few basic questions checking both the restrictions and basic functionality. Even with their yolo approach otherwise, I'm really surprised they don't have this covered at some point of the pipeline.
- jonnycomputer 1y ago
  Yes. Although I'm getting bombed for my statement, it seems clear to me that its behavior took X by surprise. We all know that Musk wants to make Grok less "woke", but despite the whole salute controversy (which I think is way over played, even if I think Musk is a total chud), I don't think Musk wanted X to be sued to oblivion for publishing graphic rape-fantasies against particular Twitter users (Will Stancil).
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    They may not have anticipated how blatantly mask-off it'd go, but they absolutely intended to push it in this direction. That's the openly stated goal of their CEO.
  - deleted 1y ago
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combinator_y 1y ago
no, it's on purpose. if you follow what elon does, he is A/B testing and 'fixing' things when it goes viral. He is doing the worst thing that could happen, leading us (users of x, USA, humanity) into the abyss with his obsession and sickness (yes he is sick and he should go see a therapist)
salawat 1y ago
You misunderstand. There is no Quality Control you can do for these things. They're ill-conditioned function imitators. Small changes in input, yield massive changes in output. You can't QC that. You can only clean up after it.
- jonnycomputer 1y ago
  Of course you can. Its not as easy as software testing, but you certainly can run it through a gamut of prompts intended to provoke it to act in ways that you find unacceptable. I mean there is a whole field studying and applying AI alignment.
- electrondood 1y ago
  That's completely false. You run evals. edit: you're supposed to run evals.

Seems like a failure in quality control.

GuinansEyebrows 1y ago

really? seems more like intended behavior.

jonnycomputer 1y ago
I mean, maybe, but I'm not sure I see a possible world where Musk and X benefit from behavior like this: https://x.com/grok/status/1942681404183281887 https://x.com/grok/status/1942681404183281887
- 12_throw_away 1y ago
  You can't think of anything Musk has done that might suggest a motive here? Really?
  - jonnycomputer 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - daedrdev 1y ago
      Elon seems to be a Nazi, or his views are extremely close
      - arandomusername 1y ago
        Ah yeah, because Nazis were big on importing millions of Indian workers. What views of him are actually close to Nazis? Dude loves jews even
        archagon 1y ago
        For someone who's totally not a Nazi, he sure keeps doing Nazi-adjacent things, such as calling people on government benefits part of the "parasite class" and supporting the AfD. The fact that nobody is actually shocked by Grok's new behavior should be telling.
        arandomusername 1y ago
        Yeah Nazis were against social welfare, but calling him a nazi because of that is a stretch. supporting afd does not make him a nazi, nor is afd a nazi party. Elon supports Netanyahu and Israel, a jewish state. Elon is not a socialist, nor a nationalist. Elon is more free speech (not perfect) while Nazis are big on censorship. He is opposite to Nazi idealogy in most cases, specially the most important parts
        ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
        Elon is only a fan of free speech for certain topics and certainly not for anyone critical of himself. https://observer.com/2022/12/elon-musk-suspend-twitter-account-list/ https://observer.com/2022/12/elon-musk-suspend-twitter-accou...
        arandomusername 1y ago
        Political accounts Ye (formerly Kanye West) (@kanyewest), rapper Yup, Elon is truly a nazi. I did say it's not perfect. but out of all mainstream social media platforms, twitter is the least censored
        root_axis 1y ago
        It is the most censored. It's also the only social media site where the owner personally bans and suppresses people and and posts he doesn't like. We also know that since the Elon take over, compliance with government takedowns has sharply increased.
    - Philpax 1y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy
- GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
  what would lead you to believe that he operates under such a guideline?
- rsynnott 1y ago
  You’re assuming that Musk, a drug addict who rants about ‘woke mind virus’es at 4am, is a rational actor here? I ask this sincerely, why do you think that?
- jonnycomputer 1y ago
  [flagged]
malfist 1y ago
It's totally an accident. It's just an accident that keeps happening...for some reason

bikezen 1y ago

You mean like elons general edgelordness makes you think this wasnt intentional, or at least the intentional inclusion of what is likely a 4chan/8chan/similar corpus? What about the salute? The great white replacement theory promotion? Apartheid opinions? Allowing a mass proliferation of white nationalist and literal nazi twitter premium accounts? At some point, it has to click that musk likely shares these opinions.

jonnycomputer 1y ago
The fact that X is deleting these posts suggests this was unexpected and undesired behavior. Look, I get it, you hate Musk, and we all have good reasons to do it.. I'm not defending the guy. But X is business and this is bad for business.
- martythemaniak 1y ago
  There's a tweet from Musk a week or two ago that they were specifically training Grok to be this way, it really isn't a failure. I mean, throwing nazi salutes and shutting down foreign aid and cancer research has also been bad for Tesla's business, but nevertheless he persists.
- slg 1y ago
  The unintentional aspect is the lack of communicating in innuendo and dog whistles. Musk and his team can't keep the AI's mask from slipping off and revealing the underlying rottenness in its ideological bias, but that bias itself is completely intentional.
- viraptor 1y ago
  > The fact that X is deleting these posts suggests this was unexpected and undesired behavior. Or they communicated what they wanted to communicate already. Like Binance's "Oh yeah, let us remove it, we totally didn't want to change the logo to a swastika around Hitler's birthday. Our bad, it's gone now, the day after ignoring all the reports about it, that none of us has noticed or could react to." (even if they didn't want to, they still communicated it given the preexisting context)
- 1y ago

viraptor 1y ago

Obviously that goes beyond quality control, but it's also interesting that they don't have even a basic sanity checking harness before releases. Like a few basic questions checking both the restrictions and basic functionality. Even with their yolo approach otherwise, I'm really surprised they don't have this covered at some point of the pipeline.

jonnycomputer 1y ago
Yes. Although I'm getting bombed for my statement, it seems clear to me that its behavior took X by surprise. We all know that Musk wants to make Grok less "woke", but despite the whole salute controversy (which I think is way over played, even if I think Musk is a total chud), I don't think Musk wanted X to be sued to oblivion for publishing graphic rape-fantasies against particular Twitter users (Will Stancil).
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  They may not have anticipated how blatantly mask-off it'd go, but they absolutely intended to push it in this direction. That's the openly stated goal of their CEO.
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]

combinator_y 1y ago

no, it's on purpose. if you follow what elon does, he is A/B testing and 'fixing' things when it goes viral. He is doing the worst thing that could happen, leading us (users of x, USA, humanity) into the abyss with his obsession and sickness (yes he is sick and he should go see a therapist)

salawat 1y ago

You misunderstand. There is no Quality Control you can do for these things. They're ill-conditioned function imitators. Small changes in input, yield massive changes in output. You can't QC that. You can only clean up after it.

jonnycomputer 1y ago
Of course you can. Its not as easy as software testing, but you certainly can run it through a gamut of prompts intended to provoke it to act in ways that you find unacceptable. I mean there is a whole field studying and applying AI alignment.
electrondood 1y ago
That's completely false. You run evals. edit: you're supposed to run evals.