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Firefox performance is really bad in google sites like meet, calendar, docs, youtube. I wonder why they are not working on improving the situation. Everything e

Firefox performance is really bad in google sites like meet, calendar, docs, youtube. I wonder why they are not working on improving the situation. Everything else is already perfect, just iron out these few issues and be the undisputed leader.

eptcyka 1y ago
Didn’t youtube sabotage firefox performance deliberately?
- knowitnone 1y ago
  Google sabotage firefox performance deliberately
- Izkata 1y ago
  Originally no, and nowadays it seems like it's a result of that tech debt: Youtube did a frontend rewrite using an early spec of web components, that only Chrome ever fully implemented, and they used Polymer to polyfill other browsers with the idea that they'd implement the spec later and get a performance boost. But the spec changed, so they never did, and Youtube is still sending the Polymer-based version to other browsers - even though from other people's tests it looks like Youtube is capable of sending something that doesn't require the polyfill if it thinks Chrome is on the other end. (This was the state as of a couple years ago, I don't know if there's been further developments since)
  - capitainenemo 1y ago
    That could be accident or malice or a combination of the two.
jajko 1y ago
Can't win if competition to whom the web belongs also tries to capture literally whole world in its ad-infested vision of future via its browser. There are tons of ways how to subtly degrade experience, or gain performance for oneself (like IE did back in the days of skipping ending connection as per protocols to gain some speed points). I used to cheer for Google and its approach to customers, employees, and the world we live in. That ship has sailed long time ago, now its another greedy global mega corporation with thin veneer of 'we are good guys' (apple is similar but in a different way).
jamesgeck0 1y ago
As pointed out in the article, Firefox performance has been steadily improving for years. It's not exactly on Mozilla that specific sites are optimized specifically for their rival's product.
- perryizgr8 1y ago
  > It's not exactly on Mozilla that specific sites are optimized specifically for their rival's product. Firefox has less than 2% market share. It is absolutely on Mozilla to seek out the most used sites with performance problems and fix the browser so they are fast.

eptcyka 1y ago

Didn’t youtube sabotage firefox performance deliberately?

knowitnone 1y ago
Google sabotage firefox performance deliberately
Izkata 1y ago
Originally no, and nowadays it seems like it's a result of that tech debt: Youtube did a frontend rewrite using an early spec of web components, that only Chrome ever fully implemented, and they used Polymer to polyfill other browsers with the idea that they'd implement the spec later and get a performance boost. But the spec changed, so they never did, and Youtube is still sending the Polymer-based version to other browsers - even though from other people's tests it looks like Youtube is capable of sending something that doesn't require the polyfill if it thinks Chrome is on the other end. (This was the state as of a couple years ago, I don't know if there's been further developments since)
- capitainenemo 1y ago
  That could be accident or malice or a combination of the two.

jajko 1y ago

Can't win if competition to whom the web belongs also tries to capture literally whole world in its ad-infested vision of future via its browser. There are tons of ways how to subtly degrade experience, or gain performance for oneself (like IE did back in the days of skipping ending connection as per protocols to gain some speed points). I used to cheer for Google and its approach to customers, employees, and the world we live in. That ship has sailed long time ago, now its another greedy global mega corporation with thin veneer of 'we are good guys' (apple is similar but in a different way).

jamesgeck0 1y ago

As pointed out in the article, Firefox performance has been steadily improving for years. It's not exactly on Mozilla that specific sites are optimized specifically for their rival's product.

perryizgr8 1y ago
> It's not exactly on Mozilla that specific sites are optimized specifically for their rival's product. Firefox has less than 2% market share. It is absolutely on Mozilla to seek out the most used sites with performance problems and fix the browser so they are fast.