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He is missing one point: Even if Samsungs marketshare drops, there is a whole army of other manufacturers with Android phones. Unlike Sony vs MS vs Nintendo thi

by buster 14y ago

He is missing one point: Even if Samsungs marketshare drops, there is a whole army of other manufacturers with Android phones. Unlike Sony vs MS vs Nintendo this is Apple vs MS/Nokia vs Samsung+Motorola+HTC+LG+Huawei+Sharp+Dell+Asus+Acer+many others. Ok, HTC will most likely produce a WindowsPhone as well. Another point: Android is "free" for the carriers and manufacturers. That's a big difference.

barista 14y ago
You are missing the same point he is missing and one more :) Its not Apple vs MS/Nokia vs Samsung+Motorola+.... as you are claiming. There are myriad of other manufacturers who are making Win8 devices both phone and PCs/tablets. Also android being free is a myth. It just cost Samsung a billion for making android phone (somewhat indirectly though) also MS has been after a bunch of the android makers for license fees. So what makes it free?
- sigzero 14y ago
  "It just cost Samsung a billion for making android phone (somewhat indirectly though)" Somewhat? It being Android really had nothing do with what happened to Samsung.
  - barista 14y ago
    are you kidding? Google had the approach where it leaves its hardware partners out in the open unprotected from patents. Microsoft provides patent protection for hardware partners when they develop a device. That is one of the reasons none of the devices got sued. Besides android UI, particularly the original ones are a shameless copy of iOS UI.
    - hammersend 14y ago
      "Google had the approach where it leaves its hardware partners out in the open unprotected from patents." If Samsung didn't want to get sued then they shouldn't have copied Apple. Google sent them an email to that effect so blaming Google is ignoring reality. "Microsoft provides patent protection for hardware partners when they develop a device. That is one of the reasons none of the devices got sued." Worthless when the products don't sell. "Besides android UI, particularly the original ones are a shameless copy of iOS UI." Which is why none of Samsung's latest products were included in the lawsuit. Bottom line: Windows Phone doesn't sell and Android does so if you think Samsung is going to stop shipping Android devices you're dreaming.
- buster 14y ago
  "There are myriad of other manufacturers who are making Win8 devices both phone and PCs/tablets." Uhm, yeah.. That's... puhhh... Nokia... HTC... probably some HP and Dell? But how much effort will they put into Win8 devices? Nokia is near-death, HTC is focused on Android, even Dell will have more Android devices then Win8 ones (i guess). Most likely (and this is another point the article doesn't mention) Microsoft will throw some billions and billions of dollars at the problem to gain traction (as did with the Xbox, the Xbox wouldn't have been a success without Microsoft subsidizing every new xbox) and then we will see if it sticks. It can become a second Zune.. or a success. Right now they don't have much on the plus side.
TheTruthIsHere 14y ago
Open Source != free. Currently an Android license is more expensive than a WP one. I have to post this for 50th time on YN - Android is a trademark, Google Play, Google Maps, etc are closed source apps, Samsung, HTC, LG, etc. are all paying license fee per device sold. Amazon and a few others forked the source, but can't market their devices as Android and don't get access to the app store.
akmiller 14y ago
Samsung makes windows phones as well. In fact they are one of the first to announce Windows 8 device: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/29/samsung-windows-phone-8/ http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/29/samsung-windows-pho...
- hammersend 14y ago
  How many Windows Phones have they actually sold?

by buster 14y ago

barista 14y ago

You are missing the same point he is missing and one more :) Its not Apple vs MS/Nokia vs Samsung+Motorola+.... as you are claiming. There are myriad of other manufacturers who are making Win8 devices both phone and PCs/tablets. Also android being free is a myth. It just cost Samsung a billion for making android phone (somewhat indirectly though) also MS has been after a bunch of the android makers for license fees. So what makes it free?

sigzero 14y ago
"It just cost Samsung a billion for making android phone (somewhat indirectly though)" Somewhat? It being Android really had nothing do with what happened to Samsung.
- barista 14y ago
  are you kidding? Google had the approach where it leaves its hardware partners out in the open unprotected from patents. Microsoft provides patent protection for hardware partners when they develop a device. That is one of the reasons none of the devices got sued. Besides android UI, particularly the original ones are a shameless copy of iOS UI.
  - hammersend 14y ago
    "Google had the approach where it leaves its hardware partners out in the open unprotected from patents." If Samsung didn't want to get sued then they shouldn't have copied Apple. Google sent them an email to that effect so blaming Google is ignoring reality. "Microsoft provides patent protection for hardware partners when they develop a device. That is one of the reasons none of the devices got sued." Worthless when the products don't sell. "Besides android UI, particularly the original ones are a shameless copy of iOS UI." Which is why none of Samsung's latest products were included in the lawsuit. Bottom line: Windows Phone doesn't sell and Android does so if you think Samsung is going to stop shipping Android devices you're dreaming.
buster 14y ago
"There are myriad of other manufacturers who are making Win8 devices both phone and PCs/tablets." Uhm, yeah.. That's... puhhh... Nokia... HTC... probably some HP and Dell? But how much effort will they put into Win8 devices? Nokia is near-death, HTC is focused on Android, even Dell will have more Android devices then Win8 ones (i guess). Most likely (and this is another point the article doesn't mention) Microsoft will throw some billions and billions of dollars at the problem to gain traction (as did with the Xbox, the Xbox wouldn't have been a success without Microsoft subsidizing every new xbox) and then we will see if it sticks. It can become a second Zune.. or a success. Right now they don't have much on the plus side.

TheTruthIsHere 14y ago

Open Source != free. Currently an Android license is more expensive than a WP one. I have to post this for 50th time on YN - Android is a trademark, Google Play, Google Maps, etc are closed source apps, Samsung, HTC, LG, etc. are all paying license fee per device sold. Amazon and a few others forked the source, but can't market their devices as Android and don't get access to the app store.

akmiller 14y ago

Samsung makes windows phones as well. In fact they are one of the first to announce Windows 8 device: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/29/samsung-windows-phone-8/ http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/29/samsung-windows-pho...

hammersend 14y ago
How many Windows Phones have they actually sold?