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> focused on trying to effectively rewrite the JVM in Rust because Rust seems trendy these days. Rust isn't 'trendy' it's established itself as a leading langu

by v5v3 1y ago

> focused on trying to effectively rewrite the JVM in Rust because Rust seems trendy these days. Rust isn't 'trendy' it's established itself as a leading language. It's also not controlled by a single corporate like Google (go) or Sun (java) or Microsoft (C#,F#) or Apple (Swift) so a better place to be.

louthy 1y ago
‘Leading’ is still a bit of a stretch. It’s still relatively niche in industry. It’s in the ascendant for sure, but there’s a ways to go yet.
- MangoToupe 1y ago
  Compared to what? Do you see "niche" and "a leading language" as mutually exclusive? Most languages have their niches.
- const_cast 1y ago
  In it's class, it's definitely leading for future development. The thing is we can't compare Rust to Python or C# (can't compare Python and C# to each other either, frankly). The only language that competes with Rust genuinely is C++.
  - msgodel 1y ago
    Rust is a fantastic C++ replacement but I doubt it will replace much else.
    - const_cast 1y ago
      I would agree.
    - v5v3 1y ago
      Why do you think that? I wrote a webhook recieving API the other day in Rust. And it's my go-to for anything that isn't front end/web framework. It has lots of packages now. And can be extended further as it can call other languages modules such as Python.
      - const_cast 1y ago
        For me, it's just a question of ergonomics. Can Rust do what C# does? Yes, unquestionably. But there is a value to a runtime and GC. It makes writing application code a bit easier, more assumptions can be made, and less care needs to be given to memory. It's suboptimal, but usually doesn't matter. I'd rather write a backend in C#, and the performance is usually more than good enough.
        v5v3 1y ago
        Has VsCode support for c# improved or are you still paying $1k a year or so for Visual Studio?
        const_cast 1y ago
        We use JetBrains products at work, and I don't foot the bill.
      - msgodel 1y ago
        You can do anything in it. Go is better for webhooks though IMO. How many dependencies (including transitives) do you have?

by v5v3 1y ago

louthy 1y ago

‘Leading’ is still a bit of a stretch. It’s still relatively niche in industry. It’s in the ascendant for sure, but there’s a ways to go yet.

MangoToupe 1y ago
Compared to what? Do you see "niche" and "a leading language" as mutually exclusive? Most languages have their niches.
const_cast 1y ago
In it's class, it's definitely leading for future development. The thing is we can't compare Rust to Python or C# (can't compare Python and C# to each other either, frankly). The only language that competes with Rust genuinely is C++.
- msgodel 1y ago
  Rust is a fantastic C++ replacement but I doubt it will replace much else.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    I would agree.
  - v5v3 1y ago
    Why do you think that? I wrote a webhook recieving API the other day in Rust. And it's my go-to for anything that isn't front end/web framework. It has lots of packages now. And can be extended further as it can call other languages modules such as Python.
    - const_cast 1y ago
      For me, it's just a question of ergonomics. Can Rust do what C# does? Yes, unquestionably. But there is a value to a runtime and GC. It makes writing application code a bit easier, more assumptions can be made, and less care needs to be given to memory. It's suboptimal, but usually doesn't matter. I'd rather write a backend in C#, and the performance is usually more than good enough.
      - v5v3 1y ago
        Has VsCode support for c# improved or are you still paying $1k a year or so for Visual Studio?
        const_cast 1y ago
        We use JetBrains products at work, and I don't foot the bill.
    - msgodel 1y ago
      You can do anything in it. Go is better for webhooks though IMO. How many dependencies (including transitives) do you have?