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Great article, i missed the original that spawned this article: https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/17/opinion_column_firefox/ https://www.theregister.com/2025/

Great article, i missed the original that spawned this article: https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/17/opinion_column_firefox/ https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/17/opinion_column_firefo... I've been done with firefox for many years. Librewolf, firefox fork, is the way to go; available on flathub. Obviously Brave still being main browser. Mozilla went wrong long ago. They publicly went political and followed through with the firings. They have blogs from the ceo straight up calling for political censorship. Even more odd, it was mostly just US politics which stands out to non-americans. They are focused on everything except the browser and so it was inevitable to decline.

Bender 1y ago
I tried librewolf and it made all the exact same calls out that Firefox did on shutdown. Now I just disable the network before killing Firefox and then run bleachbit. I also mount some directories as tmpfs. What are the benefits of librewolf over Firefox? I could not find any. AFAIK its still just Firefox under the hood.
- karambanoonoo 1y ago
  What calls?
  - Bender 1y ago
    All the same non user initiated calls to Mozilla and other endpoints. Run tcpdump to see them. (both TCP and UDP now) I run a command before I close internet applications and all outbound connections are logged in dmesg via netfilter. Be sure to also log all DNS queries on your firewall.
GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
> They have blogs from the ceo straight up calling for political censorship. got any links?
- zamadatix 1y ago
  Not GP but their mention brings to memory these HN discussion I had read years ago and the comments probably already have more than this thread will discuss: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29884342 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29884342 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25690941 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25690941 It looks like the blog post was taken down several months later, so I had to pull this copy to see what it was https://web.archive.org/web/20210108192114/https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210108192114/https://blog.mozi...
  - happymellon 1y ago
    Doesn't look like censorship at all. > Transparency on advertisers Sounds good. > Transparency on "algorithms" Also sounds good. > Improve algorithms to highlight facts over fiction Considering he isn't calling for anyone to be censored, only promote facts, I don't see much issue.
    - zamadatix 1y ago
      She builds off of "requires more than just the temporary silencing or permanent removal of bad actors from social media platforms" with "Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation". Whether deplatforming or "amplifying factual voices over disinformation" are seen as a good thing, they are censorship. She also mixes some good ideas in that (particularly platform algorithm transparency) of course.
      - saubeidl 1y ago
        Is ad-blocking censorship? What about spam filters?
        ozgrakkurt 1y ago
        Ad-blocking is turned off by default in most browsers. Also basically no one wants to see ads, it is functionally useless, you can just go search for the thing you want to buy. Censoring someone because you think they are harmful isn’t similar to this. You can develop a trump-blocker extension but having this enabled on default in a browser like chrome would be obvious censorship

Bender 1y ago

I tried librewolf and it made all the exact same calls out that Firefox did on shutdown. Now I just disable the network before killing Firefox and then run bleachbit. I also mount some directories as tmpfs. What are the benefits of librewolf over Firefox? I could not find any. AFAIK its still just Firefox under the hood.

karambanoonoo 1y ago
What calls?
- Bender 1y ago
  All the same non user initiated calls to Mozilla and other endpoints. Run tcpdump to see them. (both TCP and UDP now) I run a command before I close internet applications and all outbound connections are logged in dmesg via netfilter. Be sure to also log all DNS queries on your firewall.

GuinansEyebrows 1y ago

> They have blogs from the ceo straight up calling for political censorship. got any links?

zamadatix 1y ago
Not GP but their mention brings to memory these HN discussion I had read years ago and the comments probably already have more than this thread will discuss: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29884342 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29884342 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25690941 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25690941 It looks like the blog post was taken down several months later, so I had to pull this copy to see what it was https://web.archive.org/web/20210108192114/https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210108192114/https://blog.mozi...
- happymellon 1y ago
  Doesn't look like censorship at all. > Transparency on advertisers Sounds good. > Transparency on "algorithms" Also sounds good. > Improve algorithms to highlight facts over fiction Considering he isn't calling for anyone to be censored, only promote facts, I don't see much issue.
  - zamadatix 1y ago
    She builds off of "requires more than just the temporary silencing or permanent removal of bad actors from social media platforms" with "Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation". Whether deplatforming or "amplifying factual voices over disinformation" are seen as a good thing, they are censorship. She also mixes some good ideas in that (particularly platform algorithm transparency) of course.
    - saubeidl 1y ago
      Is ad-blocking censorship? What about spam filters?
      - ozgrakkurt 1y ago
        Ad-blocking is turned off by default in most browsers. Also basically no one wants to see ads, it is functionally useless, you can just go search for the thing you want to buy. Censoring someone because you think they are harmful isn’t similar to this. You can develop a trump-blocker extension but having this enabled on default in a browser like chrome would be obvious censorship