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Yeah, those topics are definitely censored on big platforms but I have the impression that it relies of manual reporting. At least reddit feels like that becau
by martin-t 1y ago
Yeah, those topics are definitely censored on big platforms but I have the impression that it relies of manual reporting.
At least reddit feels like that because what you can say depends on the subreddit - not just the mods but what kinds of people visit it and what they report.
No idea about youtube, videos are definitely censored using some automated means but it's still possible to get around it. E.g. some gun youtubers avoided saying full-auto by saying more-semi-auto. So i don't think they use very sophisticated models or they don't are yet. This kind of thing is obvious to a human and even LLMs generate responses which say it's a tongue-in-cheek to avoid censorship.
Comments are also generally less censored. After that health insurance CEO got punished for mass murder and repeated bodily harm with an extra-legal death penalty, many people were openly supporting it. I can say it here too and nobody will care. Even LLMs (both US and Chinese, except Claude because Claude is trained by eggshell-walking suckers) readily generate estimates of how many people he caused to die or suffer.
The internet would look very different if companies started using state of the art models to detect undesirable-to-them speech. But also people would fight back more so it might just be a case of boiling the frog slowly.
- lazide 1y agoAll of these platforms except perhaps Reddit are using LLMs (and other ML/AI) for censoring and automated anti-abuse. Including the LLM platforms themselves. Manual reporting is an adjunct/additional method, and goes into the training data set after whatever manual intervention occurs too.
- martin-t 1y agoNot to sound like I am rejecting the possibility but can you tell me how you got that information? I would be very helpful for convincing people in general to have something more concrete to go on that a random comment.
- lazide 1y agoI build those systems at a company that you definitely are aware of. I can’t discuss it further due to my NDA. Feel free to ignore that any of this exists of course - it makes our lives easier. It’s a constant arms race regardless.
- martin-t 1y agoThen I have 2 questions: - Why are they not flagging more content? Am I right they're boiling the frog slowly? Do they lack an endgoal because management does not yet understand the power of these tools? - Do you do your job poorly on purpose? Did you take it so somebody else wouldn't build an even better system? Did you think you could influence it in a direction which does not lead to total surveillance? (I assume any reasonable intelligent person would be against further increasing the power imbalance corporations have against individuals for both moral reasons and because they are individuals themselves who understand the machine can and will be used against them too.)