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> So why are we surprised the BBC doesn't want to stick its head above the parapet? Whenever a group publicly criticizes a behavior, you see the rhetorical que

> So why are we surprised the BBC doesn't want to stick its head above the parapet? Whenever a group publicly criticizes a behavior, you see the rhetorical question “Why are you surprised?”, and that feels dismissive and disingenuous. Yes, BBC has some reasons to behave the way they do, sure. It’s really not relevant to the points being brought. Every actor has reasons to behave. People are critical of the behavior, whatever the actor’s incentives are. Because a behavior feels more logical or rational it shouldn’t be discussed? If you would answer negatively then what’s the point of asking your question? Is it just to express your cynicism of that whole situation?

rich_sasha 1y ago
> Yes, BBC has some reasons to behave the way they do, sure. It’s really not relevant to the points being brought My point is they are responding to external constraints shaped by the broader society - the very same group who seems to put up with Israel's outrageous stunts. To angst about the first but not the second is the illogical bit to me. The BBC is not quite a weathervane, but like so many commentators in this space, is so heavily constrained in what it can do that it's meaningless to focus on the actions, not the constraints. It's like when people are shocked that politicians are not morally superior to the average person in the society that raised them. You sample from a group, you're going to mimick its distribution. So I am not surprised or shocked how the BBC is acting. I am surprised and shocked that the many societies (Europe, America, ME) seems to accept this situation, as a root cause if you like.
- sillyfluke 1y ago
  >To angst about the first but not the second is the illogical bit to me. Where are you getting this from, this idea that the ones that are angsting about the first, are not angsting about the second? pg just recently tweeted about the ludicrousness of the 83 year-old historian (?) getting arrested for holding up a sign in support of Palestian Action, now effectively deemed a terrorist organization in the UK as I understand it. This post is about the BBC, so the comments are about this specific news about the BBC. The BBC is constrained but not as much as the UK government obviously. It even tries to report objectively on scandals inside the BBC, to what extent it succeeds is always up for debate, as it is in this case debated here.
  - rich_sasha 1y ago
    This thread is literally full of confused commentary, which is what my (slightly meta) post obliquely referred to. I ma glad there are people out there who do care.

rich_sasha 1y ago

> Yes, BBC has some reasons to behave the way they do, sure. It’s really not relevant to the points being brought My point is they are responding to external constraints shaped by the broader society - the very same group who seems to put up with Israel's outrageous stunts. To angst about the first but not the second is the illogical bit to me. The BBC is not quite a weathervane, but like so many commentators in this space, is so heavily constrained in what it can do that it's meaningless to focus on the actions, not the constraints. It's like when people are shocked that politicians are not morally superior to the average person in the society that raised them. You sample from a group, you're going to mimick its distribution. So I am not surprised or shocked how the BBC is acting. I am surprised and shocked that the many societies (Europe, America, ME) seems to accept this situation, as a root cause if you like.

sillyfluke 1y ago
>To angst about the first but not the second is the illogical bit to me. Where are you getting this from, this idea that the ones that are angsting about the first, are not angsting about the second? pg just recently tweeted about the ludicrousness of the 83 year-old historian (?) getting arrested for holding up a sign in support of Palestian Action, now effectively deemed a terrorist organization in the UK as I understand it. This post is about the BBC, so the comments are about this specific news about the BBC. The BBC is constrained but not as much as the UK government obviously. It even tries to report objectively on scandals inside the BBC, to what extent it succeeds is always up for debate, as it is in this case debated here.
- rich_sasha 1y ago
  This thread is literally full of confused commentary, which is what my (slightly meta) post obliquely referred to. I ma glad there are people out there who do care.