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GoT still blows me away. You had about as close to an infinite budget as you can get in television, access to some of the best writers on the planet, as well as

by jmb99 1y ago

GoT still blows me away. You had about as close to an infinite budget as you can get in television, access to some of the best writers on the planet, as well as general guidance from Martin, and yet somehow you end up with season 8 (and 7, and to a lesser extent 6). It wouldn’t surprise me if Winds of Winter never gets published due in part to the TV series’ writing, which is to me the biggest loss.

iamsaitam 1y ago
I think the hate that the last seasons get are mainly due to people's expectations of how the several arcs should "wrap up". I have yet to read any compelling argument or point of view why the last seasons were terrible. They were rushed, but that doesn't equate to bad.
- rkomorn 1y ago
  For me, it was the appearance of plot armor (starting with the end of season 5) that ruined the show. Up to that point, you had a sense that anyone could die, no matter how important. Seasons 6+ are full of meh tropes like last-second reversals, people popping out of water when they evidently should've drowned, the impossibly bullshit "blind girl kills trained assassin" moment, the WWE style end of the walkers, etc. To me, that's just bad. Not rushed.
  - auntienomen 1y ago
    Yeah, it was bad. And then they really betrayed the story by trying to graft a happy ending on. The only ending that makes any sense is "Everyone dies, the bad guys win, the end". It's right there in the story's motto: Winter is coming.
- aredox 1y ago
  >I have yet to read any compelling argument or point of view why the last seasons were terrible. https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/observations/the-real-reason-fans-hate-the-last-season-of-game-of-thrones/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/observations/the-rea... https://archive.ph/KLoAq https://archive.ph/KLoAq https://archive.ph/g2mZJ https://archive.ph/g2mZJ The worst, I think, is how they treated the secondary characters like Grey Worm and Missandei. Or Jon Snow calmly taking his boat to exile in the middle of Unsullied and Dothraki - he just killed their Queen and Liberation figure. https://www.cbr.com/game-of-thrones-failed-unsullied-explained/ https://www.cbr.com/game-of-thrones-failed-unsullied-explain...
- triceratops 1y ago
  > mainly due to people's expectations of how the several arcs should "wrap up". Well...yeah? The "how" is the very essence of good writing. "Frodo walked to Mount Doom and destroyed the ring" is one way to write Lord of the Rings. But no one would call it good writing. The journey is just as important as the destination. > I have yet to read any compelling argument or point of view why the last seasons were terrible. Logic, timing, characterization, pacing, tone, faithfulness to the source material or to earlier seasons. Characters doing dumb shit just because the story needs to get to a certain place. I didn't need to read anyone's arguments to know the last seasons were terrible. I have eyes and ears.
tuna74 1y ago
Don't blame GoT for Martin's lack of output. The books are his responsibility.
IncreasePosts 1y ago
The last song of ice and fire book that Martin got out was released almost exactly the same time as the very first episode of game of thrones. I doubt the show could be the cause of Martin never publishing, it took the show 6 years to catch up with the source material, and it seems like Martin made no progress during that time

by jmb99 1y ago

iamsaitam 1y ago

I think the hate that the last seasons get are mainly due to people's expectations of how the several arcs should "wrap up". I have yet to read any compelling argument or point of view why the last seasons were terrible. They were rushed, but that doesn't equate to bad.

rkomorn 1y ago
For me, it was the appearance of plot armor (starting with the end of season 5) that ruined the show. Up to that point, you had a sense that anyone could die, no matter how important. Seasons 6+ are full of meh tropes like last-second reversals, people popping out of water when they evidently should've drowned, the impossibly bullshit "blind girl kills trained assassin" moment, the WWE style end of the walkers, etc. To me, that's just bad. Not rushed.
- auntienomen 1y ago
  Yeah, it was bad. And then they really betrayed the story by trying to graft a happy ending on. The only ending that makes any sense is "Everyone dies, the bad guys win, the end". It's right there in the story's motto: Winter is coming.
aredox 1y ago
>I have yet to read any compelling argument or point of view why the last seasons were terrible. https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/observations/the-real-reason-fans-hate-the-last-season-of-game-of-thrones/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/observations/the-rea... https://archive.ph/KLoAq https://archive.ph/KLoAq https://archive.ph/g2mZJ https://archive.ph/g2mZJ The worst, I think, is how they treated the secondary characters like Grey Worm and Missandei. Or Jon Snow calmly taking his boat to exile in the middle of Unsullied and Dothraki - he just killed their Queen and Liberation figure. https://www.cbr.com/game-of-thrones-failed-unsullied-explained/ https://www.cbr.com/game-of-thrones-failed-unsullied-explain...
triceratops 1y ago
> mainly due to people's expectations of how the several arcs should "wrap up". Well...yeah? The "how" is the very essence of good writing. "Frodo walked to Mount Doom and destroyed the ring" is one way to write Lord of the Rings. But no one would call it good writing. The journey is just as important as the destination. > I have yet to read any compelling argument or point of view why the last seasons were terrible. Logic, timing, characterization, pacing, tone, faithfulness to the source material or to earlier seasons. Characters doing dumb shit just because the story needs to get to a certain place. I didn't need to read anyone's arguments to know the last seasons were terrible. I have eyes and ears.

tuna74 1y ago

Don't blame GoT for Martin's lack of output. The books are his responsibility.

IncreasePosts 1y ago

The last song of ice and fire book that Martin got out was released almost exactly the same time as the very first episode of game of thrones. I doubt the show could be the cause of Martin never publishing, it took the show 6 years to catch up with the source material, and it seems like Martin made no progress during that time