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This article went from #3 on the front page of HN to #260 in ten minutes[1]. Talk about someone wanting to keep you from reading about it! 1: https://hnranking

This article went from #3 on the front page of HN to #260 in ten minutes[1]. Talk about someone wanting to keep you from reading about it! 1: https://hnrankings.info https://hnrankings.info

tomhow 1y ago
Several users flagged this submission, correctly. The topic of the app's launch was on the front page for several hours last week and generated a huge discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44496729 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44496729 This latest story doesn't seem to carry any "significant new information", which is a critical qualifier for a new HN thread. The article's topic is the quote by the United States Attorney General on a cable news interview, and even that was made – and reported – last week when the topic was still active on HN. It's a detail in the overall story that has already had major coverage here. If there was an arrest or some other material legal action, that would likely warrant a new thread. Edit: I updated the comment to remove the incorrect implication that there is any new information in the article at all.
- octo888 1y ago
  Was it the actual flagging by users that deranked it? Or mod intervention based on those signals? Not disagreeing with the action just curious about the ambiguity in your comment
  - tomhow 1y ago
    It's always a combination of upvotes, flags, vouches, auto-penalties and manual penalties that affect the ranking. I don't know which was the particular one of the downweights that pulled it off the front page; it was already off when I first saw it. But it's a clear-cut case of a duplicate post, so there was no need for me to do anything to alter what had already happened.
- rsynnott 1y ago
  > The only new information is a quote by the United States Attorney General on a cable news interview This feels like an illustration of just how unhinged the US has become, that the _AG threatening a private citizen_ is not considered major news. The frog is, if not boiled, at least sous-vide'd.
  - tomhow 1y ago
    I don't live in the US, and that's not what I wrote. I wrote that it's not additional news beyond what has already been reported and discussed here, and this story is no more current/recent that the main reporting from last week. Here it is referenced in two comments in that thread, posted over five days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44445727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44445727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44448673 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44448673
93po 1y ago
i wish more people used hckrnews.com front end, it prevents issues like this
- Sammi 1y ago
  You realise what bias hn has when you use hckrnews.com and are able to see what they remove. Not that I think hn has a stronger bias than other forums, but it is there.
  - 93po 1y ago
    to be fair ive used hcknrews exclusively for years and if anything it helps reinforce the perspective of HN moderation being fair and well balanced. stuff gets removed sometimes but its entirely bc its rage bait/bad content and appropriately user flagged, or its content already massively discussed elsewhere and the posts are merged there was only a single time i can recall there being something completely nuked and me raising an eyebrow being like "uhhhh that's pretty sus" but couldnt even tell you what it was about, it was years ago. and i can chalk that up to me having my own biases too
- p3rls 1y ago
  was it their SSL that expired yesterday? i briefly remembered how much i hate the default interface
- kapildev 1y ago
  Wouldn't using hn.algolia.com also solve the issue?

This article went from #3 on the front page of HN to #260 in ten minutes[1]. Talk about someone wanting to keep you from reading about it! 1: https://hnrankings.info https://hnrankings.info

tomhow 1y ago

Several users flagged this submission, correctly. The topic of the app's launch was on the front page for several hours last week and generated a huge discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44496729 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44496729 This latest story doesn't seem to carry any "significant new information", which is a critical qualifier for a new HN thread. The article's topic is the quote by the United States Attorney General on a cable news interview, and even that was made – and reported – last week when the topic was still active on HN. It's a detail in the overall story that has already had major coverage here. If there was an arrest or some other material legal action, that would likely warrant a new thread. Edit: I updated the comment to remove the incorrect implication that there is any new information in the article at all.

octo888 1y ago
Was it the actual flagging by users that deranked it? Or mod intervention based on those signals? Not disagreeing with the action just curious about the ambiguity in your comment
- tomhow 1y ago
  It's always a combination of upvotes, flags, vouches, auto-penalties and manual penalties that affect the ranking. I don't know which was the particular one of the downweights that pulled it off the front page; it was already off when I first saw it. But it's a clear-cut case of a duplicate post, so there was no need for me to do anything to alter what had already happened.
rsynnott 1y ago
> The only new information is a quote by the United States Attorney General on a cable news interview This feels like an illustration of just how unhinged the US has become, that the _AG threatening a private citizen_ is not considered major news. The frog is, if not boiled, at least sous-vide'd.
- tomhow 1y ago
  I don't live in the US, and that's not what I wrote. I wrote that it's not additional news beyond what has already been reported and discussed here, and this story is no more current/recent that the main reporting from last week. Here it is referenced in two comments in that thread, posted over five days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44445727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44445727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44448673 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44448673

93po 1y ago

i wish more people used hckrnews.com front end, it prevents issues like this

Sammi 1y ago
You realise what bias hn has when you use hckrnews.com and are able to see what they remove. Not that I think hn has a stronger bias than other forums, but it is there.
- 93po 1y ago
  to be fair ive used hcknrews exclusively for years and if anything it helps reinforce the perspective of HN moderation being fair and well balanced. stuff gets removed sometimes but its entirely bc its rage bait/bad content and appropriately user flagged, or its content already massively discussed elsewhere and the posts are merged there was only a single time i can recall there being something completely nuked and me raising an eyebrow being like "uhhhh that's pretty sus" but couldnt even tell you what it was about, it was years ago. and i can chalk that up to me having my own biases too
p3rls 1y ago
was it their SSL that expired yesterday? i briefly remembered how much i hate the default interface
kapildev 1y ago
Wouldn't using hn.algolia.com also solve the issue?