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> From a security standpoint: When my data lands in the hands of Chinese interests and USA entities, only the latter is leveraging it against me. In the stack o

> From a security standpoint: When my data lands in the hands of Chinese interests and USA entities, only the latter is leveraging it against me. In the stack of data risks to be mitigated, China is at the bottom and everyone tied to the US is at the top. I hope you don't work for a company or know anyone who works for a company or government that China might want to influence, steal secrets from, sabotage, etc; otherwise your information or information that you have about other people could be used against you, people you know, your company, your government, your interests, etc. Foreign intelligence doesn't always go after people in "important" jobs, they sometimes go after janitors or other people who have access to either facilities or people.

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itsanaccount 1y ago
this is so silly. if chinese intelligence tries to what, blackmail me? Meanwhile silicon valley companies like Palantir are actively feeding information to cops in my county who don't like me because I walk in the pride parade. whos more dangerous to me right now.
- UltraSane 1y ago
  " Palantir are actively feeding information to cops in my county who don't like me because I walk in the pride parade." Can you prove this?
  - metalman 1y ago
    https://www.techdirt.com/2025/07/07/ice-using-repurposed-border-facial-recognition-tech-to-id-protesters-activists-and-migrants-on-us-streets/ https://www.techdirt.com/2025/07/07/ice-using-repurposed-bor... close enough?
    - aikinai 1y ago
      I’m not the parent but I was going to read that article to see contained evidence of the above. I couldn’t make it past the hyperbolic first paragraph though. I’m not familiar with TechDirt, but is it intending to be tech news or a political activism site?
  - const_cast 1y ago
    The Palantir giving information to cops in the US? Yes, that's their business model, or part of it. This being used to persecute minorities? IMO, nobody needs to prove this, we can assume it will happen. Why? Because world governments will always push the envelope to the furthest amount legally. Any tool that can be used for evil, will be used for evil. If you have a database of faces it's only a matter of time before that is used for some sort of profiling. Don't believe me? Look no further than War. Any invention, in all of human history, that can be used for war, has been used for war. We will develop new and innovative ways to use it. Vehicles, planes, trucks, trains, telephony, electricity, the printing press, the internet, anything and everything.
- RandomBacon 1y ago
  > this is so silly Tell that to my former coworker in the U.S. government, that this happened to. I was the person who found out and reported it, and action was taken.
  - userbinator 1y ago
    in the U.S. government That changes the situation significantly.
  - kalleboo 1y ago
    So you were able to report it, and action was taken. When the US sends you a NSL, what do you do?
surgical_fire 1y ago
> I hope you don't work for a company or know anyone who works for a company or government that China might want to influence, steal secrets from, sabotage, Why are we pretending that the US don't do those things?
- repeekad 1y ago
  I’ve never seen evidence that US agents attempted to infiltrate Chinese companies to steal their secrets, meanwhile just one recent example is the FBI catching Chinese espionage on camera trying to steal glass trade secrets from Corning, also see the Google employee who tried to steal AI secrets, a while ago it was the Coca-Cola can lining formula
  - deadfoxygrandpa 1y ago
    us industrialization back in the early days of the country was largely based on illegal IP theft from british factories. thats just how it is when you're behind and trying to catch up
  - bb88 1y ago
    One way to look at the world is if there's no punishment, there was never any crime. It's pretty clear the US has been doing economic spying for at least more than 3 decades [0]. One famous incident I'm aware of was the CIA spying on Thomson-CSF and delivering the intelligence to Raytheon who were competitors in a contract bid. [1] The thing about defense contractors like Boeing and Raytheon is that if they do receive information from the CIA or NSA, they're not gonna talk about it for fear of losing the existing contracts they have, or losing bids in the future. I would agree that spying on China is harder than say spying on France. But I wouldn't say it's impossible. The US just has to work 10 times as hard. I would also say that because of the regime, any Chinese turncoats would be have much less loose lips. [0] https://archive.ph/YbIMy https://archive.ph/YbIMy [1] https://archive.ph/bGMZn https://archive.ph/bGMZn
  - maxglute 1y ago
    Snowden leaks -> NSA operation shotgiant infiltrated Huawei network for years. PRC ministers around then been quoted saying US had thoroughly infiltrated PRC networks. I'm pretty sure it was admitted as much in PLA Science of Military Strategy in 2010s. PRC just doesn't like publicizing how compromised they were until recently, now cybersecurity firms like QH360 regularly report on US cyber infiltration efforts. James Mulvenon, leading expert on PRC cyber who was one of the loudest sirens 10 years ago also basically said there was mutual offensive attacks - something like "We hack them, they hack us". The distinction Americans and Mulvenon like to make back then was PRC civil military fusion = PRC can economically weaponize hacking, i.e. PRC can pass hacked blueprints to companies XYZ to develop vs US can't because NSA can't pick winners. Which is fair (unless it comes to stuff like Airbus vs Boeing or other strategic industries). But that's just sour grapes for admitting that PRC has a better system for industrial espionage. Anecdotal, in PRC in the mid 90s, had dinner where diasphora Chinese at western telco was complaining about how PRC started hacking their networks, someone else at dinner worked for domestic telco (trying to poach), and used to technician in PLA sigint unit, complained about how US penetrated most of Chinese networks and lamenting how they were w decades behind in cyber.
makeitdouble 1y ago
> you don't work for a company or know anyone who works for a company or government that China might want to [...] As I read it, yes, parent does not have ties to that category of companies. TBH I don't too. In contrast we are meddled enough by the US that actively following US national news makes sense from a work perspective.
lmm 1y ago
> I hope you don't work for a company or know anyone who works for a company or government that China might want to influence, steal secrets from, sabotage, etc; It's certainly conceivable that China-based entities might want that. It's almost certain that US- and Israel-based entities do. Hence their relative positions in the stack of risks.
bb88 1y ago
The problem with security is that it's all stick based, not carrots. Nobody gets a raise for following good security practices -- just firing, fines, and jail time. Meanwhile "mass paranoia" masquerades as "security best practices". The janitor example you bring up is a great example. A decade ago Frontline had a report on female janitorial staff being raped [0]. Instead of providing job security, wage security, and physical security to allow workers to do their job without fear, we threaten them to "be secure or else." If I were China, I know straight where to go! [0] https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/rape-on-the-night-shift/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/rape-on-the-night...

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itsanaccount 1y ago

this is so silly. if chinese intelligence tries to what, blackmail me? Meanwhile silicon valley companies like Palantir are actively feeding information to cops in my county who don't like me because I walk in the pride parade. whos more dangerous to me right now.

UltraSane 1y ago
" Palantir are actively feeding information to cops in my county who don't like me because I walk in the pride parade." Can you prove this?
- metalman 1y ago
  https://www.techdirt.com/2025/07/07/ice-using-repurposed-border-facial-recognition-tech-to-id-protesters-activists-and-migrants-on-us-streets/ https://www.techdirt.com/2025/07/07/ice-using-repurposed-bor... close enough?
  - aikinai 1y ago
    I’m not the parent but I was going to read that article to see contained evidence of the above. I couldn’t make it past the hyperbolic first paragraph though. I’m not familiar with TechDirt, but is it intending to be tech news or a political activism site?
- const_cast 1y ago
  The Palantir giving information to cops in the US? Yes, that's their business model, or part of it. This being used to persecute minorities? IMO, nobody needs to prove this, we can assume it will happen. Why? Because world governments will always push the envelope to the furthest amount legally. Any tool that can be used for evil, will be used for evil. If you have a database of faces it's only a matter of time before that is used for some sort of profiling. Don't believe me? Look no further than War. Any invention, in all of human history, that can be used for war, has been used for war. We will develop new and innovative ways to use it. Vehicles, planes, trucks, trains, telephony, electricity, the printing press, the internet, anything and everything.
RandomBacon 1y ago
> this is so silly Tell that to my former coworker in the U.S. government, that this happened to. I was the person who found out and reported it, and action was taken.
- userbinator 1y ago
  in the U.S. government That changes the situation significantly.
- kalleboo 1y ago
  So you were able to report it, and action was taken. When the US sends you a NSL, what do you do?

surgical_fire 1y ago

> I hope you don't work for a company or know anyone who works for a company or government that China might want to influence, steal secrets from, sabotage, Why are we pretending that the US don't do those things?

repeekad 1y ago
I’ve never seen evidence that US agents attempted to infiltrate Chinese companies to steal their secrets, meanwhile just one recent example is the FBI catching Chinese espionage on camera trying to steal glass trade secrets from Corning, also see the Google employee who tried to steal AI secrets, a while ago it was the Coca-Cola can lining formula
- deadfoxygrandpa 1y ago
  us industrialization back in the early days of the country was largely based on illegal IP theft from british factories. thats just how it is when you're behind and trying to catch up
- bb88 1y ago
  One way to look at the world is if there's no punishment, there was never any crime. It's pretty clear the US has been doing economic spying for at least more than 3 decades [0]. One famous incident I'm aware of was the CIA spying on Thomson-CSF and delivering the intelligence to Raytheon who were competitors in a contract bid. [1] The thing about defense contractors like Boeing and Raytheon is that if they do receive information from the CIA or NSA, they're not gonna talk about it for fear of losing the existing contracts they have, or losing bids in the future. I would agree that spying on China is harder than say spying on France. But I wouldn't say it's impossible. The US just has to work 10 times as hard. I would also say that because of the regime, any Chinese turncoats would be have much less loose lips. [0] https://archive.ph/YbIMy https://archive.ph/YbIMy [1] https://archive.ph/bGMZn https://archive.ph/bGMZn
- maxglute 1y ago
  Snowden leaks -> NSA operation shotgiant infiltrated Huawei network for years. PRC ministers around then been quoted saying US had thoroughly infiltrated PRC networks. I'm pretty sure it was admitted as much in PLA Science of Military Strategy in 2010s. PRC just doesn't like publicizing how compromised they were until recently, now cybersecurity firms like QH360 regularly report on US cyber infiltration efforts. James Mulvenon, leading expert on PRC cyber who was one of the loudest sirens 10 years ago also basically said there was mutual offensive attacks - something like "We hack them, they hack us". The distinction Americans and Mulvenon like to make back then was PRC civil military fusion = PRC can economically weaponize hacking, i.e. PRC can pass hacked blueprints to companies XYZ to develop vs US can't because NSA can't pick winners. Which is fair (unless it comes to stuff like Airbus vs Boeing or other strategic industries). But that's just sour grapes for admitting that PRC has a better system for industrial espionage. Anecdotal, in PRC in the mid 90s, had dinner where diasphora Chinese at western telco was complaining about how PRC started hacking their networks, someone else at dinner worked for domestic telco (trying to poach), and used to technician in PLA sigint unit, complained about how US penetrated most of Chinese networks and lamenting how they were w decades behind in cyber.

makeitdouble 1y ago

> you don't work for a company or know anyone who works for a company or government that China might want to [...] As I read it, yes, parent does not have ties to that category of companies. TBH I don't too. In contrast we are meddled enough by the US that actively following US national news makes sense from a work perspective.

lmm 1y ago

> I hope you don't work for a company or know anyone who works for a company or government that China might want to influence, steal secrets from, sabotage, etc; It's certainly conceivable that China-based entities might want that. It's almost certain that US- and Israel-based entities do. Hence their relative positions in the stack of risks.

bb88 1y ago

The problem with security is that it's all stick based, not carrots. Nobody gets a raise for following good security practices -- just firing, fines, and jail time. Meanwhile "mass paranoia" masquerades as "security best practices". The janitor example you bring up is a great example. A decade ago Frontline had a report on female janitorial staff being raped [0]. Instead of providing job security, wage security, and physical security to allow workers to do their job without fear, we threaten them to "be secure or else." If I were China, I know straight where to go! [0] https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/rape-on-the-night-shift/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/rape-on-the-night...