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The article is deeply flawed. Patent protection is important, but differentiation is critical in the eyes of oems. WinMo does not offer differentiation, so that

The article is deeply flawed. Patent protection is important, but differentiation is critical in the eyes of oems. WinMo does not offer differentiation, so that's a non-starter. In addition, 1b is a small price to pay for a free os and market leadership.

pedalpete 14y ago
WinMo doesn't exist anymore, it's Windows Phone or WP. Can you explain why you think WP isn't a differentiator? It is clearly and significantly different visually from the other mobile os's.
- MatthewPhillips 14y ago
  He means to the OEMs. They cannot modify it to look differently from other OEMs. I think this is more important to carriers though. They want people to walk in and see 5 or 6 different looking phones to choose from. Hence the love of Android.
  - eckyptang 14y ago
    ...and the fact that Android has turned into a fragmented crapfest. There is nothing worse than carrier customisation - it's the worst kind of turd polish.
    - hammersend 14y ago
      "...and the fact that Android has turned into a fragmented crapfest." How them grapes taste? "There is nothing worse than carrier customisation - it's the worst kind of turd polish." That's your opinion, skippy. Consumers see that stuff and they like it. Please tone down the arrogance and see other people having opinions.
- untog 14y ago
  I think what he means is the ability for manufacturers to 'differentiate' their product- that is, add stuff like Sense, or TouchWiz, or MotoBlur. Us techies may hate them, but carriers love them because it means they are selling something other than a generic Android phone that makes them sound interchangable with another manufacturer.
potatolicious 14y ago
Inevitably I feel that Nokia and Microsoft are each other's only hope for survival in the mobile space. That lack of differentiation is murderous for OEMs - this alone is a brick wall against OEM adoption. The fact that OEMs have to pay to install this thing onto their phones is also not going to sit well at all, not when the competition is free. The fact that it's a superior consumer experience won't matter at all. Microsoft inevitably will have to start building their own devices a la the Lumia series, except they will have to really step up the game a lot more than they have so far. If I were MS I'd eliminate Nokia from the experience branding - their name would be on the box, but every slice of the out-of-box experience needs to scream Microsoft, and it needs to be comprehensively end-to-end. You use the Nokia name to make the sale, but the software should be 100% MS. And for fuck's sake, they need to get their act together on the marketing front. We've seen precious little marketing for WinPhone, and worse, the little we've seen has been completely flat on its face.
noamsml 14y ago
Honestly, the whole mantra of "differentiation" is a bit tired. Most android "differentiation" is terrible, and I'd rather have vanilla Android over "differentiated" bullshit any day.
- hammersend 14y ago
  "and I'd rather have vanilla Android over "differentiated" bullshit any day." Do you think the market gives a rat's ass what you think? Consumers like the skins. Deal with it.

pedalpete 14y ago

WinMo doesn't exist anymore, it's Windows Phone or WP. Can you explain why you think WP isn't a differentiator? It is clearly and significantly different visually from the other mobile os's.

MatthewPhillips 14y ago
He means to the OEMs. They cannot modify it to look differently from other OEMs. I think this is more important to carriers though. They want people to walk in and see 5 or 6 different looking phones to choose from. Hence the love of Android.
- eckyptang 14y ago
  ...and the fact that Android has turned into a fragmented crapfest. There is nothing worse than carrier customisation - it's the worst kind of turd polish.
  - hammersend 14y ago
    "...and the fact that Android has turned into a fragmented crapfest." How them grapes taste? "There is nothing worse than carrier customisation - it's the worst kind of turd polish." That's your opinion, skippy. Consumers see that stuff and they like it. Please tone down the arrogance and see other people having opinions.
untog 14y ago
I think what he means is the ability for manufacturers to 'differentiate' their product- that is, add stuff like Sense, or TouchWiz, or MotoBlur. Us techies may hate them, but carriers love them because it means they are selling something other than a generic Android phone that makes them sound interchangable with another manufacturer.

potatolicious 14y ago

Inevitably I feel that Nokia and Microsoft are each other's only hope for survival in the mobile space. That lack of differentiation is murderous for OEMs - this alone is a brick wall against OEM adoption. The fact that OEMs have to pay to install this thing onto their phones is also not going to sit well at all, not when the competition is free. The fact that it's a superior consumer experience won't matter at all. Microsoft inevitably will have to start building their own devices a la the Lumia series, except they will have to really step up the game a lot more than they have so far. If I were MS I'd eliminate Nokia from the experience branding - their name would be on the box, but every slice of the out-of-box experience needs to scream Microsoft, and it needs to be comprehensively end-to-end. You use the Nokia name to make the sale, but the software should be 100% MS. And for fuck's sake, they need to get their act together on the marketing front. We've seen precious little marketing for WinPhone, and worse, the little we've seen has been completely flat on its face.

noamsml 14y ago

Honestly, the whole mantra of "differentiation" is a bit tired. Most android "differentiation" is terrible, and I'd rather have vanilla Android over "differentiated" bullshit any day.

hammersend 14y ago
"and I'd rather have vanilla Android over "differentiated" bullshit any day." Do you think the market gives a rat's ass what you think? Consumers like the skins. Deal with it.