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I would bet on traffic planners’ assessment of these variables to be more reliable and comprehensive than yours, in general.

wat10000 1y ago
Spoken like someone who has never driven a car.
- sorcerer-mar 1y ago
  Nah, spoken like someone repeatedly humbled by the complexity and detail of domains other than my own. “I can drive a car therefore I understand traffic design better than traffic designers” is obviously an absurd statement when you just say it outright instead of condescendingly implying it. > HN commentator revolutionizes traffic design with groundbreaking insight: consider the sight lines
  - wat10000 1y ago
    I doubt anyone is even analyzing most of these intersections. Low-traffic residential streets just automatically get a stop sign regardless.
  - 8note 1y ago
    you can also be humbled by how little thought goes into a lot of car infrastructure. eg. rather than picking a speed limit, and building the road to encourage that speed limit, american engineers will build the road, then set the speed limit by how fast people typically drive on it
    - wat10000 1y ago
      Pretty sure it doesn't even go that far most of the time. Around here, there seem to be a few simple rules based on the road's intended use and the area it's in. Lower-traffic residential streets are 25MPH, as are somewhat busier streets in dense areas. Other roads that connect more distant places are 35MPH. And that's about it. One road I frequent has a broad section with parking on both sides, one lane in each direction that would be plenty wide enough for two cars abreast, and a center turn lane. And then there's a narrow section barely wide enough for one lane in each direction, with densely packed houses whose driveways connect straight to the road, and a hill that sharply limits visibility. People tend to go 25MPH in that section and 40+ on the wide section. The limit in both places is 35. About two miles away there's a major connector with 3-4 lanes each way, divided by a median. People often go 50 there. The limit is, you guessed it, 35.
potato3732842 1y ago
Ah, yes, the same people who's prior iteration of industry fads and silver bullets we're mopping up right now.
- sorcerer-mar 1y ago
  Who? Which people? What industry fads? Which silver bullets? Who is mopping them up, and how? We've crossed paths in several threads now and your comments follow this pattern of vague gesticulation toward all the bad people being some undefined monolith who did some vague thing. What specifically do you mean here?
  - potato3732842 1y ago
    There is less than zero chance I am going to waste my time adding tons of language to fairly simple comments to appease your need for specificity. I know that individuals are not groups. I don't care, groups make up of individuals take action so I will address groups. I feel no need to cite sources for observable common experience. We both know that you would not be satisfied if I did.
    - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
      Okay. You can save even more time by not commenting at all! I'm not asking for you to "cite sources" lol, I'm asking you to "add substance." I literally cannot understand what the fuck you're talking about, and I suspect that's because you don't either.

wat10000 1y ago

Spoken like someone who has never driven a car.

sorcerer-mar 1y ago
Nah, spoken like someone repeatedly humbled by the complexity and detail of domains other than my own. “I can drive a car therefore I understand traffic design better than traffic designers” is obviously an absurd statement when you just say it outright instead of condescendingly implying it. > HN commentator revolutionizes traffic design with groundbreaking insight: consider the sight lines
- wat10000 1y ago
  I doubt anyone is even analyzing most of these intersections. Low-traffic residential streets just automatically get a stop sign regardless.
- 8note 1y ago
  you can also be humbled by how little thought goes into a lot of car infrastructure. eg. rather than picking a speed limit, and building the road to encourage that speed limit, american engineers will build the road, then set the speed limit by how fast people typically drive on it
  - wat10000 1y ago
    Pretty sure it doesn't even go that far most of the time. Around here, there seem to be a few simple rules based on the road's intended use and the area it's in. Lower-traffic residential streets are 25MPH, as are somewhat busier streets in dense areas. Other roads that connect more distant places are 35MPH. And that's about it. One road I frequent has a broad section with parking on both sides, one lane in each direction that would be plenty wide enough for two cars abreast, and a center turn lane. And then there's a narrow section barely wide enough for one lane in each direction, with densely packed houses whose driveways connect straight to the road, and a hill that sharply limits visibility. People tend to go 25MPH in that section and 40+ on the wide section. The limit in both places is 35. About two miles away there's a major connector with 3-4 lanes each way, divided by a median. People often go 50 there. The limit is, you guessed it, 35.

potato3732842 1y ago

Ah, yes, the same people who's prior iteration of industry fads and silver bullets we're mopping up right now.

sorcerer-mar 1y ago
Who? Which people? What industry fads? Which silver bullets? Who is mopping them up, and how? We've crossed paths in several threads now and your comments follow this pattern of vague gesticulation toward all the bad people being some undefined monolith who did some vague thing. What specifically do you mean here?
- potato3732842 1y ago
  There is less than zero chance I am going to waste my time adding tons of language to fairly simple comments to appease your need for specificity. I know that individuals are not groups. I don't care, groups make up of individuals take action so I will address groups. I feel no need to cite sources for observable common experience. We both know that you would not be satisfied if I did.
  - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
    Okay. You can save even more time by not commenting at all! I'm not asking for you to "cite sources" lol, I'm asking you to "add substance." I literally cannot understand what the fuck you're talking about, and I suspect that's because you don't either.