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This may be a silly question, I'm no expert. But why not simply define as AGI any system that can answer a question that no human can. So for example, ask AGI t

by gtech1 1y ago

This may be a silly question, I'm no expert. But why not simply define as AGI any system that can answer a question that no human can. So for example, ask AGI to find out, from current knowledge, how to reconcile gravity and qed.

m11a 1y ago
That would be ASI I think. But consider: technically AlphaTensor found new algorithms no human did before (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_multiplication_algorithm#AlphaTensor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_multiplication_algorith...). So isn't it AGI by your definition of answering a question no human could before: how to do 4x4 matrix multiplication in 47 steps?
imiric 1y ago
"What is the meaning of life, the universe, and everything?"
- ta8645 1y ago
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soVeryTired 1y ago
Computers can already do a lot of things that no human can though. They can reliably find the best chess or go move better than a human. It's conceivable (though not likely) that given training enough training in symbolic mathematics and some experimental data, an LLM-style AI could figure out a neat reconciliation of the two theories. I wouldn't say that makes it AGI though. You could achieve that unification with an AI that was limted to mathematics rather than being something that can function in many domains like a human can.
- goatlover 1y ago
  Wouldn't this unification need to be backed by empirical data? Let's say the AI discovers the two theories can be unified using let's say some configuration 8 spatial dimensions and 2 time dimensions. Neat trick, but how do we know the world actually has those dimensions?
  - gtech1 1y ago
    Do we even have any other theory that does that already ? It seems that even finding one would be a great achievement
layer8 1y ago
Aside from other objections already mentioned, your example would require feasible experiments for verification, and likely the process of finding a successful theory of quantum gravity requires a back and forth between experimenters and theorists.

by gtech1 1y ago

m11a 1y ago

That would be ASI I think. But consider: technically AlphaTensor found new algorithms no human did before (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_multiplication_algorithm#AlphaTensor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_multiplication_algorith...). So isn't it AGI by your definition of answering a question no human could before: how to do 4x4 matrix multiplication in 47 steps?

imiric 1y ago

"What is the meaning of life, the universe, and everything?"

ta8645 1y ago
42

soVeryTired 1y ago

Computers can already do a lot of things that no human can though. They can reliably find the best chess or go move better than a human. It's conceivable (though not likely) that given training enough training in symbolic mathematics and some experimental data, an LLM-style AI could figure out a neat reconciliation of the two theories. I wouldn't say that makes it AGI though. You could achieve that unification with an AI that was limted to mathematics rather than being something that can function in many domains like a human can.

goatlover 1y ago
Wouldn't this unification need to be backed by empirical data? Let's say the AI discovers the two theories can be unified using let's say some configuration 8 spatial dimensions and 2 time dimensions. Neat trick, but how do we know the world actually has those dimensions?
- gtech1 1y ago
  Do we even have any other theory that does that already ? It seems that even finding one would be a great achievement

layer8 1y ago

Aside from other objections already mentioned, your example would require feasible experiments for verification, and likely the process of finding a successful theory of quantum gravity requires a back and forth between experimenters and theorists.