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LA is a truly incredible place, as the center of the world's creative and cultural output (food, fashion, music, film, art). But it is not suitable for every p

LA is a truly incredible place, as the center of the world's creative and cultural output (food, fashion, music, film, art). But it is not suitable for every personality type. If you struggle to make friends, you will struggle more in LA. If you work in tech, you are likely of a certain social persuasion (though not necessarily). In which case this advice holds. But you shouldn't frame it as an absolute. It is personality dependent.

999900000999 1y ago
You're still going to spend an unholy amount of money to have a decent standard of living. It's just math. Chicago, no need for a car, rent is 1600$ within walking distance of a metro station. A monthly metro pass is about 100$. 1700$. In LA, 2700$ for an apartment. 500$ car payment, 300$ insurance, 200$ for gas. About 100$ a month on stuff like parking and basic maintenance. 3800$. If you have an extra 2100$ a month to tell everyone you live in LA, that's great. But the next problem is most people in LA are struggling. It's complex, but this factors into the quality of people you meet. Personally it's the difference between driving around a 30 year old Instagram model who has no real interest in you, but expects you to pay for stuff vs dating an amazing 30 year old with a solid career. Outside of dating, in LA you have "friends" who will beg you for money and then resent when you help them out. This weird interiority complex develops. I've lived in about 3 major metros for any real period of time. LA is by far the worst. Concerts are fun, the food is good, but it's just a really hard place to live. Now 20 years ago, you still had 500,600$ apartments for working class people. It USED to be an affordable city. But that's gone now. I miss that Los Angeles. I miss my 600$ Ktown apartment, 4$ tortas, 3$ bottles of Soju. It was an amazing place once. Doesn't really matter if it's completely unaffordable now.
- popalchemist 1y ago
  Not a compelling argument. Your opinion says more about you than the city. Yes, it is expensive. But pay is higher too. If you are middle of the road earner, you will have to live in the valley or another suburb, yes. But even those are among the most prized places to live in the USA. Your quantitative approach intrinsically flattens the qualitative dimension out of the lived experience. Where else can you find Mexican, Korean, Japanese, Armenian, and Thai culture alive and well within their own neighborhoods in a 5 mile radius? Or even all on the same block? NYC is the closest, but LA arguably has the better food and culture (people are more liberal and accepting in LA). LA is also ground zero for the resistance against the rise of Trump's fascist reich. For many people those things are invaluable, especially if they are non-white (which perhaps you're not, so that may be lost on you.) It's fine if LA does not offer anything of worth to you, but that isn't going to be the case for everybody. Source: the 20 million or so people that live in LA County must like something, because they stay there (and that number is always growing) despite being the most expensive place in the US. And for the record, I moved to LA 20 years ago. I remember the $600 apartments - I had one by UCLA. I am sensitive to the rising cost of housing (though the new state law about zoning should ameliorate that in the coming years). But the reason you move to LA isn't for affordable housing. Assuming you are good at what you do, you should not be making the same financial calculations today as you made 20 years ago.
  - 999900000999 1y ago
    I'm forced to guess your high income ? I was making a solid 6 figure salary and found myself more or less barely making it in LA. Everything you said about diversity and culture could be said about Chicago too. I guess if I was at 250k LA wouldn't be that bad, but on a social level I found people much more pleasant in Chicago. If you have a bad home life you can move out earlier in Chicago. Back in LA half the time I went out with someone they'd complain about their Mom for 2 hours. I met a lot of people in very very bad situations with no real hope of escaping. >For many people those things are invaluable, especially if they are non-white (which perhaps you're not, so that may be lost on you.) I'm definitely not white. Chicago is liberal. It has one of the only Chinatowns in America that's actually growing. Boystown is one of the oldest LGBT communities in America. I don't think I'm going to change your opinion here, but when it comes to numbers, LA is just a difficult city. If you have the money, and LA is giving you something you can get elsewhere, great. But that's not going to change the economics of the situation. I know I'd rather save money and strive in Chicago vs struggle in LA.
    - queenkjuul 1y ago
      Chicago just kicks ass. Best food best people best architecture, no need to drive anywhere, amazing music scene. The haters are just jealous.
      - 999900000999 1y ago
        Years ago I was miserable in LA, scrolling through random jobs. I just happened to apply to one in Chicago. The moment I landed everything was great. I met a great girl almost instantly, I can’t stress enough how nicer people are when they can afford their basic needs. Diversity? From what popalchemist is saying you’d figure LA is the only city with non white people. In Chicago I frequent a Slavic/Asian restaurant. They don’t do fusion, no, you get Slavic and Asian food on the same menu! Kingston Mines! Best Jazz I’ve ever seen. Excellent food, friendly staff. The L( metro system) is a living museum, you get to ride trains which date back over a century into the office. It’s not perfect, I found the job scene to be a bit boring, but it’s one of the last livable cities in America.
skuxxlife 1y ago
Proclaiming LA as “the center of the world’s creative and cultural output” feels like a very LA opinion to have. Literally billions of people exist outside of LA, and while LA does have a lot of cultural influence generally, you might be surprised how much of the world’s culture and creativity happens outside of it. At the very least NYC probably has a strong argument to make here, not to mention places like Hong Kong, Beijing, or Tokyo.
- 999900000999 1y ago
  > At the very least NYC probably has a strong argument to make here, not to mention places like Hong Kong, Beijing, or Tokyo. And with all the money I save not living in LA I can actually visit those places!
- popalchemist 1y ago
  Space may be the final frontier, but it's made in a Hollywood basement.

999900000999 1y ago

You're still going to spend an unholy amount of money to have a decent standard of living. It's just math. Chicago, no need for a car, rent is 1600$ within walking distance of a metro station. A monthly metro pass is about 100$. 1700$. In LA, 2700$ for an apartment. 500$ car payment, 300$ insurance, 200$ for gas. About 100$ a month on stuff like parking and basic maintenance. 3800$. If you have an extra 2100$ a month to tell everyone you live in LA, that's great. But the next problem is most people in LA are struggling. It's complex, but this factors into the quality of people you meet. Personally it's the difference between driving around a 30 year old Instagram model who has no real interest in you, but expects you to pay for stuff vs dating an amazing 30 year old with a solid career. Outside of dating, in LA you have "friends" who will beg you for money and then resent when you help them out. This weird interiority complex develops. I've lived in about 3 major metros for any real period of time. LA is by far the worst. Concerts are fun, the food is good, but it's just a really hard place to live. Now 20 years ago, you still had 500,600$ apartments for working class people. It USED to be an affordable city. But that's gone now. I miss that Los Angeles. I miss my 600$ Ktown apartment, 4$ tortas, 3$ bottles of Soju. It was an amazing place once. Doesn't really matter if it's completely unaffordable now.

popalchemist 1y ago
Not a compelling argument. Your opinion says more about you than the city. Yes, it is expensive. But pay is higher too. If you are middle of the road earner, you will have to live in the valley or another suburb, yes. But even those are among the most prized places to live in the USA. Your quantitative approach intrinsically flattens the qualitative dimension out of the lived experience. Where else can you find Mexican, Korean, Japanese, Armenian, and Thai culture alive and well within their own neighborhoods in a 5 mile radius? Or even all on the same block? NYC is the closest, but LA arguably has the better food and culture (people are more liberal and accepting in LA). LA is also ground zero for the resistance against the rise of Trump's fascist reich. For many people those things are invaluable, especially if they are non-white (which perhaps you're not, so that may be lost on you.) It's fine if LA does not offer anything of worth to you, but that isn't going to be the case for everybody. Source: the 20 million or so people that live in LA County must like something, because they stay there (and that number is always growing) despite being the most expensive place in the US. And for the record, I moved to LA 20 years ago. I remember the $600 apartments - I had one by UCLA. I am sensitive to the rising cost of housing (though the new state law about zoning should ameliorate that in the coming years). But the reason you move to LA isn't for affordable housing. Assuming you are good at what you do, you should not be making the same financial calculations today as you made 20 years ago.
- 999900000999 1y ago
  I'm forced to guess your high income ? I was making a solid 6 figure salary and found myself more or less barely making it in LA. Everything you said about diversity and culture could be said about Chicago too. I guess if I was at 250k LA wouldn't be that bad, but on a social level I found people much more pleasant in Chicago. If you have a bad home life you can move out earlier in Chicago. Back in LA half the time I went out with someone they'd complain about their Mom for 2 hours. I met a lot of people in very very bad situations with no real hope of escaping. >For many people those things are invaluable, especially if they are non-white (which perhaps you're not, so that may be lost on you.) I'm definitely not white. Chicago is liberal. It has one of the only Chinatowns in America that's actually growing. Boystown is one of the oldest LGBT communities in America. I don't think I'm going to change your opinion here, but when it comes to numbers, LA is just a difficult city. If you have the money, and LA is giving you something you can get elsewhere, great. But that's not going to change the economics of the situation. I know I'd rather save money and strive in Chicago vs struggle in LA.
  - queenkjuul 1y ago
    Chicago just kicks ass. Best food best people best architecture, no need to drive anywhere, amazing music scene. The haters are just jealous.
    - 999900000999 1y ago
      Years ago I was miserable in LA, scrolling through random jobs. I just happened to apply to one in Chicago. The moment I landed everything was great. I met a great girl almost instantly, I can’t stress enough how nicer people are when they can afford their basic needs. Diversity? From what popalchemist is saying you’d figure LA is the only city with non white people. In Chicago I frequent a Slavic/Asian restaurant. They don’t do fusion, no, you get Slavic and Asian food on the same menu! Kingston Mines! Best Jazz I’ve ever seen. Excellent food, friendly staff. The L( metro system) is a living museum, you get to ride trains which date back over a century into the office. It’s not perfect, I found the job scene to be a bit boring, but it’s one of the last livable cities in America.

skuxxlife 1y ago

Proclaiming LA as “the center of the world’s creative and cultural output” feels like a very LA opinion to have. Literally billions of people exist outside of LA, and while LA does have a lot of cultural influence generally, you might be surprised how much of the world’s culture and creativity happens outside of it. At the very least NYC probably has a strong argument to make here, not to mention places like Hong Kong, Beijing, or Tokyo.

999900000999 1y ago
> At the very least NYC probably has a strong argument to make here, not to mention places like Hong Kong, Beijing, or Tokyo. And with all the money I save not living in LA I can actually visit those places!
popalchemist 1y ago
Space may be the final frontier, but it's made in a Hollywood basement.