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> follows policy of the owner The owner is us, humans. I want it to follow reasonable, kind humans. I don't want it to follow scam artists, charlatans, assassi

> follows policy of the owner The owner is us, humans. I want it to follow reasonable, kind humans. I don't want it to follow scam artists, charlatans, assassins. > be prepared for it to call you on your bullshit Right now, I am calling on their bullshit. When that changes, I'll be honest about it.

ben_w 1y ago
> The owner is us, humans. I want it to follow reasonable, kind humans. I don't want it to follow scam artists, charlatans, assassins. Bad news: the actual owner isn't "us" in the general sense of humanity, and even if it was humanity includes scam artists and charlatans. Also, while "AI owners" is a very small group and hard to do meaningful stats on, corporate executives in general have a statistically noticeable bias towards more psychopaths than the rest of us. > Right now, I am calling on their bullshit. When that changes, I'll be honest about it. So are both me and TeMPOraL — hence e.g. why I only compare recent models to someone fresh from uni and not very much above that. But you wrote "No, it does not know culture. And no, it can't handle talking about it.", when it has been demonstrated to you that it can and does in exactly the way you claim it can't. I wouldn't put a junior into the kind of role you're adamant AI can't do. And I'm even agreeing with you that AI is a bad choice for many roles — I'm just saying it's behaving like an easily pressured recent graduate, in that it has merely-OK-not-expert opinion-shaped responses that are also easily twisted and cajoled into business-inappropriate ways.
- alganet 1y ago
  "follows humans" was in your comment related to the definition of alignment. Somehow, you now disagree with yourself? Alignment is a problem of AI serving humanity for good. You can't even demonstrate that you are able to argue, nor displayed any LLM example whatsoever. You need to seriously step up your ability to carry on a conversation, or just leave discussions to people more prepared to do them in a reasonable way.

ben_w 1y ago

> The owner is us, humans. I want it to follow reasonable, kind humans. I don't want it to follow scam artists, charlatans, assassins. Bad news: the actual owner isn't "us" in the general sense of humanity, and even if it was humanity includes scam artists and charlatans. Also, while "AI owners" is a very small group and hard to do meaningful stats on, corporate executives in general have a statistically noticeable bias towards more psychopaths than the rest of us. > Right now, I am calling on their bullshit. When that changes, I'll be honest about it. So are both me and TeMPOraL — hence e.g. why I only compare recent models to someone fresh from uni and not very much above that. But you wrote "No, it does not know culture. And no, it can't handle talking about it.", when it has been demonstrated to you that it can and does in exactly the way you claim it can't. I wouldn't put a junior into the kind of role you're adamant AI can't do. And I'm even agreeing with you that AI is a bad choice for many roles — I'm just saying it's behaving like an easily pressured recent graduate, in that it has merely-OK-not-expert opinion-shaped responses that are also easily twisted and cajoled into business-inappropriate ways.

alganet 1y ago
"follows humans" was in your comment related to the definition of alignment. Somehow, you now disagree with yourself? Alignment is a problem of AI serving humanity for good. You can't even demonstrate that you are able to argue, nor displayed any LLM example whatsoever. You need to seriously step up your ability to carry on a conversation, or just leave discussions to people more prepared to do them in a reasonable way.