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You just train it on the goal. Then it has that goal. Alternately, you can train it on following a goal and then you have a system where you can specify a goal

You just train it on the goal. Then it has that goal. Alternately, you can train it on following a goal and then you have a system where you can specify a goal. At sufficient scale, a model will already contain goal-following algorithms because those help predict the next token when the model is basetrained on goal-following entities, ie. humans. Goal-driven RL then brings those algorithms to prominence.

kelseyfrog 1y ago
How do you figure goal generation and supervised goal training are interchangeable?
- FeepingCreature 1y ago
  Layman warning! But "at sufficient scale", like with learning-to-learn, I'd expect it to pick up largely meta-patterns along with (if not rather than) behavioral habits, especially if the goal is left open, because strategies generalize across goals and thus get reinforcement from every instance of goal pursuit during base training. But also my intuition is that humans are "trained on goals" and then reverse-engineer an explicit goal structure using self-observation and prosaic reasoning. If it works for us, why not the LLMs? edit: Example: https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.11120 https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.11120 "Tell me about yourself: LLMs are aware of their learned behaviors". When you train a LLM on an exclusively implicit goal, the LLM explicitly realizes that it has been trained on this goal, indicating (IMO) that the implicit training hit explicit strategies.
  - kelseyfrog 1y ago
    I'm not sure. In my experience humans without explicit goal generation training tend to under perform at generating goals. In other words, our out-of-distribution performance for goal generation is poor. Noticing this, frameworks like SMART[1], provide explicit generation rules. The existence of explicit frameworks is evidence that humans tend to perform worse than expected at extracting implicit structure from goals they've observed. 1. Independent of the effectiveness of such frameworks
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kordlessagain 1y ago
Random goal use is showing to be more important than training. Although, last year someone trained on the fly during the competition, which is pretty awesome when you think about it.

kelseyfrog 1y ago

How do you figure goal generation and supervised goal training are interchangeable?

FeepingCreature 1y ago
Layman warning! But "at sufficient scale", like with learning-to-learn, I'd expect it to pick up largely meta-patterns along with (if not rather than) behavioral habits, especially if the goal is left open, because strategies generalize across goals and thus get reinforcement from every instance of goal pursuit during base training. But also my intuition is that humans are "trained on goals" and then reverse-engineer an explicit goal structure using self-observation and prosaic reasoning. If it works for us, why not the LLMs? edit: Example: https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.11120 https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.11120 "Tell me about yourself: LLMs are aware of their learned behaviors". When you train a LLM on an exclusively implicit goal, the LLM explicitly realizes that it has been trained on this goal, indicating (IMO) that the implicit training hit explicit strategies.
- kelseyfrog 1y ago
  I'm not sure. In my experience humans without explicit goal generation training tend to under perform at generating goals. In other words, our out-of-distribution performance for goal generation is poor. Noticing this, frameworks like SMART[1], provide explicit generation rules. The existence of explicit frameworks is evidence that humans tend to perform worse than expected at extracting implicit structure from goals they've observed. 1. Independent of the effectiveness of such frameworks
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kordlessagain 1y ago

Random goal use is showing to be more important than training. Although, last year someone trained on the fly during the competition, which is pretty awesome when you think about it.