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150K per work is the maximum fine for willful infringement (which this is). 105B+ is more than Anthropic is worth on paper. Of course they’re not going to be

150K per work is the maximum fine for willful infringement (which this is). 105B+ is more than Anthropic is worth on paper. Of course they’re not going to be charged to the fullest extent of the law, they’re not a teenager running Napster in the early 2000s.

voxic11 1y ago
Even if they don't qualify for willful infringement damages (lets say they have a good faith belief their infringement was covered by fair use) the standard statutory damages for copyright infringement are $750-$30,000 per work.
eikenberry 1y ago
Plus they did it with a profit motive which would entail criminal proceedings.
dragonwriter 1y ago
> 150K per work is the maximum fine for willful infringement No, its not. It's the maximum statutory damages for willful infringement, which this has not be adjudicated to be. it is not a fine, its an alternative to basis of recovery to actual damages + infringers profits attributable to the infringement. Of course, there's also a very wide range of statutory damages, the minimum (if it is not "innocent" infringement) is $750/work. > 105B+ is more than Anthropic is worth on paper. The actual amount of 7 million works times $150,000/work is $1.05 trillion, not $105 billion.
- TimorousBestie 1y ago
  > It's the maximum statutory damages for willful infringement, which this has not be adjudicated to be. it is not a fine, its an alternative to basis of recovery to actual damages + infringers profits attributable to the infringement. Yeah, you’re probably right, I’m not a lawyer. The point is that it doesn’t matter what number the law says they should pay, Anthropic can afford real lawyers and will therefore only pay a pittance, if anything. I’m old enough to remember what the feds did to Aaron Schwarz, and I don’t see what Anthropic did that was so different, ethically speaking.

voxic11 1y ago

Even if they don't qualify for willful infringement damages (lets say they have a good faith belief their infringement was covered by fair use) the standard statutory damages for copyright infringement are $750-$30,000 per work.

eikenberry 1y ago

Plus they did it with a profit motive which would entail criminal proceedings.

dragonwriter 1y ago

> 150K per work is the maximum fine for willful infringement No, its not. It's the maximum statutory damages for willful infringement, which this has not be adjudicated to be. it is not a fine, its an alternative to basis of recovery to actual damages + infringers profits attributable to the infringement. Of course, there's also a very wide range of statutory damages, the minimum (if it is not "innocent" infringement) is $750/work. > 105B+ is more than Anthropic is worth on paper. The actual amount of 7 million works times $150,000/work is $1.05 trillion, not $105 billion.

TimorousBestie 1y ago
> It's the maximum statutory damages for willful infringement, which this has not be adjudicated to be. it is not a fine, its an alternative to basis of recovery to actual damages + infringers profits attributable to the infringement. Yeah, you’re probably right, I’m not a lawyer. The point is that it doesn’t matter what number the law says they should pay, Anthropic can afford real lawyers and will therefore only pay a pittance, if anything. I’m old enough to remember what the feds did to Aaron Schwarz, and I don’t see what Anthropic did that was so different, ethically speaking.