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> Software working poorly in such setup means no effort was made to actually make it perform well in first place. How do you optimize for a system architecture

> Software working poorly in such setup means no effort was made to actually make it perform well in first place. How do you optimize for a system architecture that doesn't exist yet? (e.g. CoD could probably be fixed quite easily, but you can't do that before the hardware where that problem manifests even exists - I'd say it's much more likely that the problem is in the Windows scheduler though) > Games requiring desktop cases looking like a rainbow aquarium with top everything will become a niche PC gaming has been declared dead ever since the late 90s ;)

pjmlp 1y ago
Laptops are PC gaming, the only ones declaring them dead are the console generation that never played 8 and 16 bit home computers. For a game that gets yearly releases, I guess a decade would be long enough, given the existence of heterogeneous core programming across consoles and desktop systems.
- mathiaspoint 1y ago
  Is windows even usable on laptops still? Between the waking from sleep to check notifications and the intensity of all the new background tasks it likely isn't pleasant.
  - vel0city 1y ago
    > Is windows even usable on laptops still? Is Linux even usable on laptops still? I've got a number of machines that still seem to fail to wake from sleep on even most recent and common distros. Is Mac even usable on laptops still? I've had a lot of coworkers and friends with Macs still run into hot bag situations often. > Between the waking from sleep to check notifications Its rarely ever actually Windows that's causing the issue. Almost always crappy drivers and crappy hardware that causes the wake. Disabling allowing wake from sleep on whatever crappy hardware is causing the sleep problems is almost always the answer. I recently spent some time trying to figure out why my Lenovo Legion Go was waking from sleep. I could put it to sleep and it would almost always wake up within an hour. There's a nice utility in Windows to help analyze power patterns on the system called powercfg which will give you a good report with powercfg /sleepstudy . Turns out one of the USB4 controllers was using a stupid amount of power while asleep which would cause the system to wake. Disabling that USB4 controller to wake the system from sleep meant it wasn't even partially awake and thus stopped using so much power and would not cause the system to wake. Now the device has been asleep for many hours and hasn't woken up once unexpectedly. It also is getting less battery loss sitting on the desk asleep than it had previously.
    - mathiaspoint 1y ago
      At some point you have to blame the driver model on Windows. People have been saying "it's the drivers" for 30 years. Also most of this is intentional first party behavior from Microsoft. Windows intentionally periodically wakes from sleep to do communication (for notifications etc.) Microsoft's advice last I checked is to not store sleeping laptops running windows in laptop bags. There's a ton of other decisions they've made that just make the OS incredibly unpleasant on any device with mediocre cooling and a battery. That's why I wrote post: is it bad enough yet that it's intolerable.
      - vel0city 1y ago
        > At some point you have to blame the driver model on Windows. Serious question, specifically what is wrong with the driver model in terms of this situation? What change would you propose to solve this? Why isn't it a matter of the device manufacturers churning out crappy and poorly tested devices and solely Microsoft's fault? I do agree, Microsoft should probably make it easier to point out "hey this device is causing your system to wake, here's some potential fixes", as reading the powercfg /sleepstudy takes a little bit of deeper computer knowledge. But in the end a crappy driver and bad hardware is going to be a crappy driver and bad hardware. Should Windows just refuse to work at all with said crappy hardware? Especially considering I've had so many other devices which don't have these problems. If it was truly the OS that was at fault, why isn't the issue with every device running the OS instead of only some devices with some hardware and firmware versions? > Microsoft's advice last I checked is to not store sleeping laptops running windows in laptop bags Got an official source for that claim?
        adgjlsfhk1 1y ago
        https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/2318281/surface-studio-2-overheating-in-bag https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/2318281/... > Therefore, we highly recommend that all customers do not put the Surface in their bag while sleeping, as this can indeed cause overheating. > Best Regards, > Mitchell | Microsoft Community Support Specialist

pjmlp 1y ago

Laptops are PC gaming, the only ones declaring them dead are the console generation that never played 8 and 16 bit home computers. For a game that gets yearly releases, I guess a decade would be long enough, given the existence of heterogeneous core programming across consoles and desktop systems.

mathiaspoint 1y ago
Is windows even usable on laptops still? Between the waking from sleep to check notifications and the intensity of all the new background tasks it likely isn't pleasant.
- vel0city 1y ago
  > Is windows even usable on laptops still? Is Linux even usable on laptops still? I've got a number of machines that still seem to fail to wake from sleep on even most recent and common distros. Is Mac even usable on laptops still? I've had a lot of coworkers and friends with Macs still run into hot bag situations often. > Between the waking from sleep to check notifications Its rarely ever actually Windows that's causing the issue. Almost always crappy drivers and crappy hardware that causes the wake. Disabling allowing wake from sleep on whatever crappy hardware is causing the sleep problems is almost always the answer. I recently spent some time trying to figure out why my Lenovo Legion Go was waking from sleep. I could put it to sleep and it would almost always wake up within an hour. There's a nice utility in Windows to help analyze power patterns on the system called powercfg which will give you a good report with powercfg /sleepstudy . Turns out one of the USB4 controllers was using a stupid amount of power while asleep which would cause the system to wake. Disabling that USB4 controller to wake the system from sleep meant it wasn't even partially awake and thus stopped using so much power and would not cause the system to wake. Now the device has been asleep for many hours and hasn't woken up once unexpectedly. It also is getting less battery loss sitting on the desk asleep than it had previously.
  - mathiaspoint 1y ago
    At some point you have to blame the driver model on Windows. People have been saying "it's the drivers" for 30 years. Also most of this is intentional first party behavior from Microsoft. Windows intentionally periodically wakes from sleep to do communication (for notifications etc.) Microsoft's advice last I checked is to not store sleeping laptops running windows in laptop bags. There's a ton of other decisions they've made that just make the OS incredibly unpleasant on any device with mediocre cooling and a battery. That's why I wrote post: is it bad enough yet that it's intolerable.
    - vel0city 1y ago
      > At some point you have to blame the driver model on Windows. Serious question, specifically what is wrong with the driver model in terms of this situation? What change would you propose to solve this? Why isn't it a matter of the device manufacturers churning out crappy and poorly tested devices and solely Microsoft's fault? I do agree, Microsoft should probably make it easier to point out "hey this device is causing your system to wake, here's some potential fixes", as reading the powercfg /sleepstudy takes a little bit of deeper computer knowledge. But in the end a crappy driver and bad hardware is going to be a crappy driver and bad hardware. Should Windows just refuse to work at all with said crappy hardware? Especially considering I've had so many other devices which don't have these problems. If it was truly the OS that was at fault, why isn't the issue with every device running the OS instead of only some devices with some hardware and firmware versions? > Microsoft's advice last I checked is to not store sleeping laptops running windows in laptop bags Got an official source for that claim?
      - adgjlsfhk1 1y ago
        https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/2318281/surface-studio-2-overheating-in-bag https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/2318281/... > Therefore, we highly recommend that all customers do not put the Surface in their bag while sleeping, as this can indeed cause overheating. > Best Regards, > Mitchell | Microsoft Community Support Specialist