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Are you saying Gen-A/Z is subaltern in a way different to the traditional disaffection of youth? > "We must be as stealthy as rats in the wainscoting of their

Are you saying Gen-A/Z is subaltern in a way different to the traditional disaffection of youth? > "We must be as stealthy as rats in the wainscoting of their society. It was easier in the old days, of course, and society had more rats when the rules were looser, just as old wooden buildings have more rats than concrete buildings. But there are rats in the building now as well. Now that society is all ferrocrete and stainless steel there are fewer gaps in the joints. It takes a very smart rat indeed to find these openings. Only a stainless steel rat can be at home in this environment..." —HMH's Bishop

PaulHoule 1y ago
This is the D he is talking about https://www.darkfactor.org/ https://www.darkfactor.org/
- 082349872349872 1y ago
  Aha, so Aristotle would say high-D types have an excess of prudence (or at least phronesis, in the sense of knowing how to turn affairs to one's own advantage) as well as a deficiency of justice?
  - PaulHoule 1y ago
    Maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomachean_Ethics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomachean_Ethics Not all researchers in that field would 100% agree but I see D as the old dark triad (Narcissism, Machiavellianism, Psychopathy) plus Sadism which is conspicuously absent from the triad. My own take is that the modern moral rot is founded in Narcissism as described in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture_of_Narcissism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture_of_Narcissism which was thought to be about the 1970s when it came out but actually talks about longer term trends that have been tracked to the 18th century in the US, Tokugawa Japan and ancient Rome. Psychologists see Narcissism as an underdevelopment of the personality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Analysis_of_the_Self https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Analysis_of_the_Self https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/kernbergs-borderline-conditions-and-pathological-narcissism https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/kernbergs-borderline-c... so it's not like a High D person is a Low D person that went bad, but rather a High D doesn't have a lot of insight into how Low D people work. In a Low D culture a High D person might be forced to be a "wolf in sheep's clothing" but a silver lining to being in a culture that celebrates High D is that High D people are proud to fly their flag. When I was a hungry college student I thought "gee Charles Manson was good at picking up chicks"; today I realize that Charles Mason was good at picking up murderous chicks. That is, High D people aren't good at ripping off or seducing low D people, they're good at ripping off and seducing other High D people. See https://leverage.fandom.com/wiki/The_Long_Con https://leverage.fandom.com/wiki/The_Long_Con and "You can't cheat an honest man".
    - gsf_emergency_2 1y ago
      Perfect time to have committed the (light) cavalry! ) I've been struggling to relocate some old convos so full responses will take some time :( So here I trade prudence for urgency :) >The_Long_Con I expect to find discussions of (at least) 2 time-scales there :) (OT? Note that "prudence" morphed into "prude" (=prig) ... Only if you care to bite this "Calvinist" bait!) >plus Sadism Have to also revisit old Convo about "more cruelty than [absolutely?] necessary" VS psychopaths extracting benefits from win-win games While looking for DISC numbers for Taiwan vs China (& similar studies comparing states of (Maha)Bharat) https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/16/14/2613 https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/16/14/2613 >In other words, only by enhancing the competitiveness of individuals in the job market and acquiring problem-solving skills, can they enhance their psychological satisfaction. Reminds me of Thiel's cooperate internally, compete externally. (? Generalizing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_taxonomy_of_player_types https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_taxonomy_of_player_type...) I'm vibing that rightwingers prefer streaming because of the compressed time scales, while lefties prefer blogs because the game becomes more "iterated".. this "explains" (institution-supported) percolation of lefty narcissists attempting to cross timescales? >I'd wish the losers could become psychopaths by having [per Aristotle... or Jefferson] some business *of their own* which they could mind. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42254503 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42254503) Been mulling this (emphasis mine) as well.. that comment sounds now like giving GenA/Z Psycho-Ed (like Sex-Ed but not conducted by prigs) Secondarily, their savings rate is not going where Thiel expects, which means one's gotta encourage them to redirect these savings to bootstrap their businesses Psycho-Ed -> Psycho'ed (=purely motivational) venkatrao had a post teasing motivation vs meaning -- also 2 time-scales https://contraptions.venkateshrao.com/p/be-history-or-do-history#:~:text=Most%20people%20do%20not%20want%20their%20sense%20of%20history%20to%20be%20true%2C%20they%20want%20it%20to%20be%20meaningful%20and%20motivating.%20Unfortunately%2C%20it%E2%80%99s%20hard%20to%20get%20both%20at%20once. https://contraptions.venkateshrao.com/p/be-history-or-do-his... Reflexively, I'd guess that GenAZ can break the cycle because they can (potentially) get a more accurate sense of history than millennials. (Worse state capacity for formal education can help?) You'd want to look at ethnocultural crossovers in NYC (it looks promising that ICE is targeting Turkish agitators, because among frenemy immigrants, their polarization entropy most closely approximates that of the host nation-- ime) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42956827 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42956827 [Only]>good at ripping off and seducing other High D people. Thus suggesting that both sama & YC are high-D :) One would have to shake-off accusations of envy from the narcissists/prigs, if one weren't cool enough Update: before today I was thinking that, unlike the further left, right+center+epsilon have always been able to coalesce around the very reasonable idea that institutions are fundamentally good (compared to the leftist version for individuals) but Paul's subaltern comment makes me wonder also about timescales with respect to genz/a building their own alt (LOW-KEY) institutions Lagniappe https://youtu.be/qvdt2FZ0_B8 https://youtu.be/qvdt2FZ0_B8 (Outcool'd Jeff goldblum from Jurassic park lol) Okay over and out no more edits

PaulHoule 1y ago

This is the D he is talking about https://www.darkfactor.org/ https://www.darkfactor.org/

082349872349872 1y ago
Aha, so Aristotle would say high-D types have an excess of prudence (or at least phronesis, in the sense of knowing how to turn affairs to one's own advantage) as well as a deficiency of justice?
- PaulHoule 1y ago
  Maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomachean_Ethics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomachean_Ethics Not all researchers in that field would 100% agree but I see D as the old dark triad (Narcissism, Machiavellianism, Psychopathy) plus Sadism which is conspicuously absent from the triad. My own take is that the modern moral rot is founded in Narcissism as described in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture_of_Narcissism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture_of_Narcissism which was thought to be about the 1970s when it came out but actually talks about longer term trends that have been tracked to the 18th century in the US, Tokugawa Japan and ancient Rome. Psychologists see Narcissism as an underdevelopment of the personality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Analysis_of_the_Self https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Analysis_of_the_Self https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/kernbergs-borderline-conditions-and-pathological-narcissism https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/kernbergs-borderline-c... so it's not like a High D person is a Low D person that went bad, but rather a High D doesn't have a lot of insight into how Low D people work. In a Low D culture a High D person might be forced to be a "wolf in sheep's clothing" but a silver lining to being in a culture that celebrates High D is that High D people are proud to fly their flag. When I was a hungry college student I thought "gee Charles Manson was good at picking up chicks"; today I realize that Charles Mason was good at picking up murderous chicks. That is, High D people aren't good at ripping off or seducing low D people, they're good at ripping off and seducing other High D people. See https://leverage.fandom.com/wiki/The_Long_Con https://leverage.fandom.com/wiki/The_Long_Con and "You can't cheat an honest man".
  - gsf_emergency_2 1y ago
    Perfect time to have committed the (light) cavalry! ) I've been struggling to relocate some old convos so full responses will take some time :( So here I trade prudence for urgency :) >The_Long_Con I expect to find discussions of (at least) 2 time-scales there :) (OT? Note that "prudence" morphed into "prude" (=prig) ... Only if you care to bite this "Calvinist" bait!) >plus Sadism Have to also revisit old Convo about "more cruelty than [absolutely?] necessary" VS psychopaths extracting benefits from win-win games While looking for DISC numbers for Taiwan vs China (& similar studies comparing states of (Maha)Bharat) https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/16/14/2613 https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/16/14/2613 >In other words, only by enhancing the competitiveness of individuals in the job market and acquiring problem-solving skills, can they enhance their psychological satisfaction. Reminds me of Thiel's cooperate internally, compete externally. (? Generalizing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_taxonomy_of_player_types https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_taxonomy_of_player_type...) I'm vibing that rightwingers prefer streaming because of the compressed time scales, while lefties prefer blogs because the game becomes more "iterated".. this "explains" (institution-supported) percolation of lefty narcissists attempting to cross timescales? >I'd wish the losers could become psychopaths by having [per Aristotle... or Jefferson] some business *of their own* which they could mind. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42254503 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42254503) Been mulling this (emphasis mine) as well.. that comment sounds now like giving GenA/Z Psycho-Ed (like Sex-Ed but not conducted by prigs) Secondarily, their savings rate is not going where Thiel expects, which means one's gotta encourage them to redirect these savings to bootstrap their businesses Psycho-Ed -> Psycho'ed (=purely motivational) venkatrao had a post teasing motivation vs meaning -- also 2 time-scales https://contraptions.venkateshrao.com/p/be-history-or-do-history#:~:text=Most%20people%20do%20not%20want%20their%20sense%20of%20history%20to%20be%20true%2C%20they%20want%20it%20to%20be%20meaningful%20and%20motivating.%20Unfortunately%2C%20it%E2%80%99s%20hard%20to%20get%20both%20at%20once. https://contraptions.venkateshrao.com/p/be-history-or-do-his... Reflexively, I'd guess that GenAZ can break the cycle because they can (potentially) get a more accurate sense of history than millennials. (Worse state capacity for formal education can help?) You'd want to look at ethnocultural crossovers in NYC (it looks promising that ICE is targeting Turkish agitators, because among frenemy immigrants, their polarization entropy most closely approximates that of the host nation-- ime) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42956827 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42956827 [Only]>good at ripping off and seducing other High D people. Thus suggesting that both sama & YC are high-D :) One would have to shake-off accusations of envy from the narcissists/prigs, if one weren't cool enough Update: before today I was thinking that, unlike the further left, right+center+epsilon have always been able to coalesce around the very reasonable idea that institutions are fundamentally good (compared to the leftist version for individuals) but Paul's subaltern comment makes me wonder also about timescales with respect to genz/a building their own alt (LOW-KEY) institutions Lagniappe https://youtu.be/qvdt2FZ0_B8 https://youtu.be/qvdt2FZ0_B8 (Outcool'd Jeff goldblum from Jurassic park lol) Okay over and out no more edits